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Old 04-21-2017, 04:11 AM   #31
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As to the advantage of a red dot on a defensive weapon, long gun or sidearm, this is a huge benefit. When shooting iron sights, the vast majority of shooters shoot with one eye closed, effectively closing down, what, 50, 60 degrees of your field of view? (The actual number here is not the point, please don't chime in to tell me it's only 37.2 degrees) With a red dot, you use the weapon with both eyes open, an indisputable advantage in a defensive scenario.
I have trained myself to shoot with both eyes open regardless. I have not used a dot on my pistol, but have on my AR. I admit I don't mind the dot at all on the AR, and I am considering the Vortex Spitfire 3x now, but for now, I'm just not sold on one for my pistol. This may change, of course, but not just yet. Either way, I do agree shooting both eyes open is best if you can. I do find that I tend to close one eye if I'm shooting longer distances at times, but even then I want to shoot both eyes open in my mind.
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Old 04-21-2017, 05:08 AM   #32
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This battery life issue is rather disconcerting to me. If you are seriously talking about a battery life in terms of weeks, this device would not be on my defensive gun. No way. I've had my RMR'd G19 over 5 years now and am on my third battery, and this not because the battery failed (I've not had one die in my RMR) but rather I change the battery every couple of years for preventative maintenance, the RMR is always on. Battery life in weeks is unacceptable for a defensive tool IMHO.

As to a couple of bickering points in this thread, red dots are not for every set of eyes or vision challenges. Many with severe astigmatism can not use a red dot, all they see is a rather large bloom, making the device literally worthless. I always advise anyone considering a red dot to look at one, either one a friend owns or at a retail establishment, and see how your eyes react. I will never say it works for everyone. YMMV.

As to the advantage of a red dot on a defensive weapon, long gun or sidearm, this is a huge benefit. When shooting iron sights, the vast majority of shooters shoot with one eye closed, effectively closing down, what, 50, 60 degrees of your field of view? (The actual number here is not the point, please don't chime in to tell me it's only 37.2 degrees) With a red dot, you use the weapon with both eyes open, an indisputable advantage in a defensive scenario.

It saddens me to see the battery life of this SIG red dot is so abysmal. Further support for Trijicon and Aimpoint being my red dots of choice on defensive weapons.
I agree the other brands have what seems to be a much longer battery life. The "weeks" number is at full brightness, which IMO is brighter than you would ever need to use it at. I still agree, from Sig's own info it doesn't seem like it would ever get anywhere near the multi years of a Trijicon, but changing the battery every 6 months doesn't seem too bad, especially with the top load battery. And I really like the sight window dimensions of the Romeo 1. The sight window dimensions, are worth the shorter battery life over the Trijicon, for me anyway
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I hear what you are saying about the size of the sight window and I used to have similar thoughts. But as I grew more accustomed to the RMR and got consistent eye to RMR to target alignment, it became a non issue for me. The red dot is there, regardless the size of the viewing screen.
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I hear what you are saying about the size of the sight window and I used to have similar thoughts. But as I grew more accustomed to the RMR and got consistent eye to RMR to target alignment, it became a non issue for me. The red dot is there, regardless the size of the viewing screen.
LOL It might be what I tell myself because I sold my RMR and have the Romeo1

The RMR is a really nice sight. I did notice the Romeo1 does present faster for me, but I suspect what you say would probably come in time had I stayed with the RMR.
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I hear what you are saying about the size of the sight window and I used to have similar thoughts. But as I grew more accustomed to the RMR and got consistent eye to RMR to target alignment, it became a non issue for me. The red dot is there, regardless the size of the viewing screen.
If I may, what do you have into your RMR Glock set up?
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At 45 my eyes aren't what they were even five years ago, but from my experience, if your can't see a standard sight or night sight, you're really not going to be able to see a little red dot much better. Granted, there are some circumstances under which a glowing red dot will make it easier for anyone to acquire a target, I don't deny that, but let's be honest, and I'm genuinely looking for a good argument to show me the advantage to the sights to warrant spending the extra money and taking on the added risk of something going wrong, not to mention adding size to my gun, how much better will the dot make you under the fight or flight stress of defense at close range?



OK so here we see an actual disadvantage to the optic. It looks like the P320 offers a taller iron sight option so that one can switch to that, but again...at close ranges how much time to we really have to aim, and is it really worth spending the extra money for something that can fail or not work as designed?



Let's all agree these things are really cool...I agree with that! But, how bad would it suck to pull your gun and the red dot not work? Yeah, I know...we run the same risk with the red dots on our ARs, which is one reason I still don't run one on mine, but when you have something that works well for you, why spend the extra money to add something to your gun that may not work when you need it to? Of course, being aware of how long you have had a batter in is an easy thing to overcome, sure! I deal with that now with my light, but a light not working is a little less critical than my sights not working. IDK...I'm not saying no one should use these things...I admit I'm intrigued...but from where I stand today I'm not seeing it. YMMV

I'm not trying to convince anyone that the Romeo 1 or any pistol red dot would be worth their money. Like most things, its a personal decision. It's just another tool. Since I do EDC, practice, and train with an RX, I'm simply trying to answer questions, not sell anyone on how good it is.

At age 58 this particular red dot on this particular gun works well for me, so thats all I can pass on. So far my only complaint is carrying it IWB as I have to adjust the holster height a little higher so that the edge of the sight isn't riding on my belt.
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If I may, what do you have into your RMR Glock set up?
I can't even tell you for certain. I am certain I am well into it for much more than these can be purchased today. I picked up a Suarez slide with the RMR/trijicon suppressor sights mounted by Suarez and picked up a frame separately. Ballpark - $1,200.
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I'm not trying to convince anyone that the Romeo 1 or any pistol red dot would be worth their money. Like most things, its a personal decision. It's just another tool. Since I do EDC, practice, and train with an RX, I'm simply trying to answer questions, not sell anyone on how good it is.

At age 58 this particular red dot on this particular gun works well for me, so thats all I can pass on. So far my only complaint is carrying it IWB as I have to adjust the holster height a little higher so that the edge of the sight isn't riding on my belt.
Thanks for your insight! I appreciate that.
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I can't even tell you for certain. I am certain I am well into it for much more than these can be purchased today. I picked up a Suarez slide with the RMR/trijicon suppressor sights mounted by Suarez and picked up a frame separately. Ballpark - $1,200.
Sounds like a nice set up, but all I know for sure is that every time I see your profile pic I move closer to buying one of those things!
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The biggest advantage for me is how quickly I can engage multiple targets and the advantage of having less than perfect alignment during positional shooting. If the dot fails (battery/other) I still have my co-witness iron sights on the pistol. To each his own though... I really like them, although there really is a learning curve and it took some practice to quickly acquire the dot since I'm so used to traditional iron sights.

I don't carry mine since I have the full size model... but I wouldn't mind trying out the carry model and possibly carrying it. The Romeo 1 isn't that big and wouldn't think it would be much of hindrance to carry of It's OWB carry.

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As far as carrying is concerned, I have carried g19s with RMRs and a p320rx compact and can tell no concernable difference in carrying them vs their non-RMR counterparts. I do carry AIWB however.
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As far as carrying is concerned, I have carried g19s with RMRs and a p320rx compact and can tell no concernable difference in carrying them vs their non-RMR counterparts. I do carry AIWB however.
Do you carry in a system that has a mag caddie, or without?
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Do you carry in a system that has a mag caddie, or without?


Without. I use Zorn skinny Rigs.
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As far as carrying is concerned, I have carried g19s with RMRs and a p320rx compact and can tell no concernable difference in carrying them vs their non-RMR counterparts. I do carry AIWB however.
I EDC an M&P shield with a Reflex sight, and see nor feel any difference from without.

I carry at about IWB @ 3:30 Alien Gear cloak tuck 3.0 . For me the area where the Reflex is, is no issue at all...the grip is always the issue.
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At 45 my eyes aren't what they were even five years ago, but from my experience, if your can't see a standard sight or night sight, you're really not going to be able to see a little red dot much better. Granted, there are some circumstances under which a glowing red dot will make it easier for anyone to acquire a target, I don't deny that, but let's be honest, and I'm genuinely looking for a good argument to show me the advantage to the sights to warrant spending the extra money and taking on the added risk of something going wrong, not to mention adding size to my gun, how much better will the dot make you under the fight or flight stress of defense at close range?
From your post, it does appear that a red dot offers you a lesser advantage than it does for me. (69 years old) In twenty years you will see things differently. (Double entendre intended )

It's easier for me to see it from your point, because I've been there. Just believe that red dot is much quicker for me to focus on than iron sights. Even with 20/25 eyesight, I have much less contrast than I once did. The red dot was designed to provide that contrast.

Or maybe I'm just in my second childhood and am attracted to bright shiny things.
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From your post, it does appear that a red dot offers you a lesser advantage than it does for me. (69 years old) In twenty years you will see things differently. (Double entendre intended )

It's easier for me to see it from your point, because I've been there. Just believe that red dot is much quicker for me to focus on than iron sights. Even with 20/25 eyesight, I have much less contrast than I once did. The red dot was designed to provide that contrast.

Or maybe I'm just in my second childhood and am attracted to bright shiny things.
I'm sure you're right, and there is certainly nothing wrong with that (second childhood)!

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