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Old 11-10-2016, 06:20 PM   #1
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Old 9mm SIG P220 / Browning BDA

Hi all - Posted this question over on sigforum as well. Hope that's not a forum faux-pas.

Am hoping y'all can advise as to any creative options I might have... My oh-so-sweet 1977 vintage 9mm SIG P220/Browning BDA (with euro/heel mag release) has hairline cracks in the slide that the SIG factory has inspected and says cannot be repaired and render the pistol unsafe to fire. SIG also says that, due to the pistol's age, there are no replacement slides available. What are my options for keeping this pistol alive as some sort of Frankenpistol?
  • Any aftermarket 9mm slides that would fit properly?
  • Any sources for SIG P226 9mm slide? (would this approach require a 226 barrel as well?)
  • Anywhere that I might find a used European police or military surplus 9mm P220/226 slide?
  • As a last resort, would a P226 caliber x change kit function properly?
  • At around $315 the caliber x change kit would be less wasteful and quite a bit cheaper than a new Sig pistol, right? (I realize that I would not be able to use the fatter double stack magazine that comes with it but maybe Sig would knock a couple of bucks off the price for not including the mag.)

Extensive Googling has yet to turn-up a new or used 9mm P220 or P226 slide. Also have yet to find a non-USA source for a used/surplus police or military 9mm P220 slide.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts re: how to salvage a (mostly) perfectly good gun.
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Old 11-10-2016, 07:37 PM   #2
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The P226 slide would be my guess for the solution to this puzzle (I love these puzzles, by the way!) Unfortunately, no, the P226 slide is not the answer. My first step in determining viability is to swap the slides, one for one. The P220 9mm slide will not fit onto the P226 frame, too narrow. The P226 slide will fit the rails of the P220 9mm frame but only go on about two inches. I tried swapping barrels and RSA's to no avail. No go.

Other than the P226, I really have no better ideas. Sorry.
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The P226 slide would be my guess for the solution to this puzzle (I love these puzzles, by the way!) Unfortunately, no, the P226 slide is not the answer. My first step in determining viability is to swap the slides, one for one. The P220 9mm slide will not fit onto the P226 frame, too narrow. The P226 slide will fit the rails of the P220 9mm frame but only go on about two inches. I tried swapping barrels and RSA's to no avail. No go.

Other than the P226, I really have no better ideas. Sorry.
Thanks so much for conducting those experiments on my behalf! (Disappointing outcomes, though. Guess will have to dig further into availability of Euro police/military surplus P220 parts...)
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Since I don't have a 9mm 220 to check for fit, an idea of a 220 .45 Slide, with your 9mm breach block. Muzzle port diameter? If the .45s too big ream/tap/bushing/ream to size.
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Sourcing a slide for a 9mm 220 will be a lot harder than finding a complete 9mm 220.

Keep watching Gunbroker; a 9mm 220 will eventually come up. That's the best idea I have, unfortunately.
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Since I don't have a 9mm 220 to check for fit, an idea of a 220 .45 Slide, with your 9mm breach block. Muzzle port diameter? If the .45s too big ream/tap/bushing/ream to size.
Interesting idea! Thanks, Willard.
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Sourcing a slide for a 9mm 220 will be a lot harder than finding a complete 9mm 220.

Keep watching Gunbroker; a 9mm 220 will eventually come up. That's the best idea I have, unfortunately.
Thanks, DBS.
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rhr1960, the reason for suggesting the .45 slide, is the fact that they more than likely used the same frame, with a different locking insert, so it should at least fit the rails.
Upon further investigation, in an older Numrich Catalog I have, #32, they show only 1 slide, dependent on finish, but different barrels depending on caliber, and 2 inserts, 1 for .45, and another for 9mm/.38 Super/.30 Luger.
With this information, I would surmise a .45 slide will be the answer to your problem, as long as it has a removable breach block.
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rhr1960, the reason for suggesting the .45 slide, is the fact that they more than likely used the same frame, with a different locking insert, so it should at least fit the rails.
Upon further investigation, in an older Numrich Catalog I have, #32, they show only 1 slide, dependent on finish, but different barrels depending on caliber, and 2 inserts, 1 for .45, and another for 9mm/.38 Super/.30 Luger.
With this information, I would surmise a .45 slide will be the answer to your problem, as long as it has a removable breach block.
VERY interesting idea. Thanks! They're sold-out of two of the three slides in their current catalog and the third looks like it's not the type w/the removable breech block, but I'll call them tomorrow and ask.

It also occurred to me that, if all else fails, I might be able to convert it to .45 with SIG's more readily available .45 "caliber x-change kit" that's on sale for $150. It says it's for converting a .22lr P220 to a .45 P220, but should work on 9mm frame too, right? (I'll have to call Sig and ask.)

Thanks again, Willard!
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VERY interesting idea. Thanks! They're sold-out of two of the three slides in their current catalog and the third looks like it's not the type w/the removable breech block, but I'll call them tomorrow and ask.

It also occurred to me that, if all else fails, I might be able to convert it to .45 with SIG's more readily available .45 "caliber x-change kit" that's on sale for $150. It says it's for converting a .22lr P220 to a .45 P220, but should work on 9mm frame too, right? (I'll have to call Sig and ask.)

Thanks again, Willard!
I've got a folded carbon steel P245 slide with the removable breach block and extractor for sale if you are thinking of taking your P220 to 45 ACP. The P245 had a 3.9" barrel which would make your P220 like a "Carry" version.

I do not know if there would be a need to switch the locking insert from the 9mm to a 45 ACP or if there is even a difference. Also don't know if the mag well would accept 45 ACP mags. Just a thought.
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Some interesting ideas put forth so far. I agree with DBS, finding a complete P220 9mm will be much easier to find than just a slide.

The P220 45 slide has some merit, but like my P226 slide, will not go onto the P220 9mm frame. I tried both the P220 45 and P226 slides with the barrel and RSA removed, they both bound up about 2" onto the frame. I don't have time now to explore the hang up, but would consider it insurmountable.

The P245 slide was a complete surprise to me, however. The slide by itself went onto the frame and would cycle all the way back as would be necessary to run the gun. With the 45 barrel and RSA installed, however, the slide would only go on as far as the slide in battery position is. I could take it no further, again, time constraints make it impossible to diagnose at this time. One thing I will note, however, with this combination is that the recoil spring rod stuck out about an inch when the slide was installed as far as it could go.

As I get time, I may try installing the P245 locking insert into the P220 9mm to see if that alleviates the issue. I'll also give a try to inserting P220 45 mags to the P220 9mm frame, 45 caliber may be an option. But at this point, the P245 slide assembly looks to have promise. The main issue here, IMHO, would be finding a 9mm barrel that will fit. Maybe a custom barrel from the likes of Barsto?

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The P245 (and P220 Compact & Carry) uses a 3.9" barrel so it would follow that the RSA from the P220 with it's 4.4" barrel would stick out some; surprising that it sticks out about an inch though. Makes me wonder if something else isn't lining/matching up in the assembly.

This is an interesting exercise. Nice that MT has the selection of models to support swapping parts out like this to see what works and doesn't work.
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Major Tom, and ThnkFrst, exploring this situation you state problems with slide operating on the rails, that will go so far and stop. Could this be due to differences in the fact that the P226 has a separate extractor, and the P220s doesn't, but uses a slide catch lever with a built in ejector?
Major Tom, if you could, try the 220 .45 slide without the breachblock, and see if it operates on the 220 9mm frame. I believe the difference in the breachblock is the interference.
For grins and giggles, I took my W. German P226 slide without barrel and RSA, and it glides back and forth on my W. German P220 .45 Frame without any hiccups!

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Willard, both the P220 45 and P226 slides I tried are the stainless versions. Unfortunately, I no longer own a P226 with folded slide, it has become the property of a SIG Talk member from NJ. I do have a folded slide P220 45 which I will try time permitting and share results along with photos of different results I have reported thus far.
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Willard, I have the P245 slide but no P220 frame to try it on. Yes, the P220/245 have the ejector incorporated in the slide catch lever but I don't know if that would cause the problem that MT saw when attempting to mount it on a P226 frame.
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