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Old 01-11-2017, 11:02 AM   #16
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I've never seen that setup. All my SIGs have just one hole for the bearing.
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This is the only one I've ever seen. SIG Decocking Lever Bearing - P226, P228, P229, P239 - $9.95 - Top Gun Supply. It locks into the frame differently than your pic. TGS only lists that part. Pretty cool I'm still learning new stuff.
Like you, I had never seen it till I disassembled the P229C. I like the design; it seemed to keep the bearing from rotating in the frame which keeps the decocking lever from riding up and dinging the frame as some do.

But it's just one more "unique" P224/P229Carry part to worry about sourcing now that the two models are out of production.
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All very interesting, thanks for the pictures! The frame on my P224 DAK is the same as my DA/SA SIG's, one hole for the slotted bearing post and another for the decocking arm to actuate the hammer. I can convert the P224 to DA/SA using the parts from my P229, no problems.

bblr, you say some of the frames don't have this hole for the slotted bearing post to go through. I'd be curious if any of these were the P224, or if they are, in fact, older frames from assorted models.

As always, something new learned here every day!

Here's my P224 DAK on the right, next to the P229 DA/SA with decocking mechanism removed for clarity:

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All very interesting, thanks for the pictures! The frame on my P224 DAK is the same as my DA/SA SIG's, one hole for the slotted bearing post and another for the decocking arm to actuate the hammer. I can convert the P224 to DA/SA using the parts from my P229, no problems.

bblr, you say some of the frames don't have this hole for the slotted bearing post to go through. I'd be curious if any of these were the P224, or if they are, in fact, older frames from assorted models.

As always, something new learned here every day!

Here's my P224 DAK on the right, next to the P229 DA/SA with decocking mechanism removed for clarity:

You cannot convert your 224 to da/sa because you do not have the second hole in the frame. My DAK is just like yours. I called Sig to get the parts to convert mine. The rep asked for my serial number to verify and said mine was not able to convert. I thought she was on crack or something until i got a da/sa 224 to compare.

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Here is a pic of both of my 224's. The one on the top is the DAK without the extra hole. The one on the bottom is the da/sa with the extra hole. The extra hole allows the plate to lie flat because of the exta raised button on it.

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bblr, you say some of the frames don't have this hole for the slotted bearing post to go through. I'd be curious if any of these were the P224, or if they are, in fact, older frames from assorted models.
I believe the one I saw was an older P229. P229's normally have the decocker with 1 hole in the frame. This particular gun did NOT have any holes for the decocker. I'll keep looking and try to find the pic.
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Here is a pic of both of my 224's. The one on the top is the DAK without the extra hole. The one on the bottom is the da/sa with the extra hole. The extra hole allows the plate to lie flat because of the exta raised button on it.

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Which of your 224's is the older (by how much)? I'm going to guess it's the DAK.

Here's a theory:
Some 224 frames don't have the second smaller bearing hole. They all have the larger bearing hole.
SIG didn't produce some 224 frames for "DAK" use without the second smaller bearing hole and some 224 frames with the second hole for "DA/SA" use.
SIG changed the decocker bearing design adding the second support pin (my term) and the frame hole to accommodate it AFTER 224 production started. The newer bearing with the two pins is not backward compatible with older 224 frames, whether they were DAKs or DA/SA.
All 224 DAKs can be converted to DA/SA if a) an original decocker bearing with one pin is used, or b) the second smaller pin is removed from a newer decocker bearing.
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The DAK was made in May of 2013. I am not sure on the date of the da/sa as I bought it used without a box. The DAK serial starts with 50A and the da/sa is 50E. At the beginning they only made the DAK. It was later in production that the da/sa was made.

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But even the early DAK frames, like yours, had the large decocker bearing hole to accommodate the standard P-series "one pin" bearing design.

Again, just a theory.

And I always wondered why SIG launched the 224 in 40S&W/DAK configuration first. Just seemed an odd configuration to start with.

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Thanks for all the feedback guys, I wasn't expecting to see that many responses. Hopefully, I can get a p224 da/sa and not have to mess with a conversion. I found a sweet p224 Extreme online and I'm scrambling to come up with the funds before someone snatches it up. I'm a little confused though because it comes with 2 10 round mags. Is this a California compliant gun due to 10 round capacity? If so, will there be other differences like a long trigger reset or some other ridiculous mod? Also, from what I've seen in reviews, the Extreme models come with the SRT. Is that true?
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It's the responsibility of the buyer to know what they are buying. Ask lots of questions of the seller (especially about the 10 round mags and potential CA compliant gun). You can always post the pics and description here and ask for forum member input/advice.
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From this discussion, I gather there are three (maybe more!?!?) variations of DAK frames on the market today. One with no holes for the bearing post, one with a single hole for the bearing post and the third with both a bearing post hole and hole for the orientation nub on the bearing plate.

My P224 DAK falls within the second category, with the single hole for the bearing plate post. Since I don't have a DA/SA strut for the P224, I can't do a complete function test of the weapon, but I can tell you that, using P229 DA/SA parts (decocker assembly, sear components and hammer components), the parts all fit and to the best of my ability to determine, the weapon will function properly when assembled with the proper strut and mainspring. No need for the special bearing plate with the nub, just a standard P-series bearing plate does the trick.

As to the ability to convert the P224 DAK with two bearing plate holes, I can't speculate on the ability to successfully convert to DA/SA, would sure love the opportunity to get my hands on one of these frames.

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You cannot convert your 224 to da/sa because you do not have the second hole in the frame. My DAK is just like yours. I called Sig to get the parts to convert mine. The rep asked for my serial number to verify and said mine was not able to convert. I thought she was on crack or something until i got a da/sa 224 to compare.
Agreed! Crack or meth! LOL!! If you are going to use the special P224 bearing plate with the orientation nub (if one is available) on your P224, the nub would need to be ground off. But whether there are other dimensional differences, again, I can't say as I don't have one in hand.

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Here is a pic of both of my 224's. The one on the top is the DAK without the extra hole. The one on the bottom is the da/sa with the extra hole. The extra hole allows the plate to lie flat because of the exta raised button on it.

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Yes, you can convert this to DA/SA with standard P/series decocker mechanism assembly.

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I believe the one I saw was an older P229. P229's normally have the decocker with 1 hole in the frame. This particular gun did NOT have any holes for the decocker. I'll keep looking and try to find the pic.
Thanks, I'll look on mean green, also.

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Which of your 224's is the older (by how much)? I'm going to guess it's the DAK.

Here's a theory:
Some 224 frames don't have the second smaller bearing hole. They all have the larger bearing hole.
SIG didn't produce some 224 frames for "DAK" use without the second smaller bearing hole and some 224 frames with the second hole for "DA/SA" use.
SIG changed the decocker bearing design adding the second support pin (my term) and the frame hole to accommodate it AFTER 224 production started. The newer bearing with the two pins is not backward compatible with older 224 frames, whether they were DAKs or DA/SA.
All 224 DAKs can be converted to DA/SA if a) an original decocker bearing with one pin is used, or b) the second smaller pin is removed from a newer decocker bearing.
Agreed!
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From this discussion, I gather there are three (maybe more!?!?) variations of DAK frames on the market today. One with no holes for the bearing post, one with a single hole for the bearing post and the third with both a bearing post hole and hole for the orientation nub on the bearing plate.
Within this thread, we see examples of 224 frames with one and two holes. Does anyone have an example of a 224 frame with no decocker bearing hole?
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Thanks for all the feedback guys, I wasn't expecting to see that many responses. Hopefully, I can get a p224 da/sa and not have to mess with a conversion. I found a sweet p224 Extreme online and I'm scrambling to come up with the funds before someone snatches it up. I'm a little confused though because it comes with 2 10 round mags. Is this a California compliant gun due to 10 round capacity? If so, will there be other differences like a long trigger reset or some other ridiculous mod? Also, from what I've seen in reviews, the Extreme models come with the SRT. Is that true?
I got a Nitron .40 cal model off GunBroker that is Gen 2, SAS, SRT, and NS, 2 Ten round mags.
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