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Which Model is what?

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#1 · (Edited)
OK, no previous thread that I can find for this, and with all the newbies, and even some of us ancient persons I would like to have a thread of definitions of which model does what with which trigger and caliber.

Yes I know some of this can be gotten from the sig site, but not the discontinued and older models.

example

Is a P228 the same as a M11?? and if not WHY, WHAT, Who?

OR what is the difference between a P225 and P225-1? What is a P225, isn't that same as the P239?

What the HE$$ is a P6?

Why did browning make something that was a sig, don't even remember what it was? or what model??

MK25, Isn't that just a P226 with a logo (Anchor) on it?, or is it different than a regular P226?

What is it with the rifles, MCX, MPX, 516, 516 Carbon, 556?? Aren't these all basically the same thing, they all shoot 5.56 don't they??

:confused:I am so confused, I feel really dumb right now:confused:
 

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DirtDiver69, yes it is hard to keep up with the trends, that's why I have a window with Sig's website in it, to try and help me differentiate a lot of these models when someone has a problem.
 
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#3 ·
Agreed same here, but what about the not on the website stuff.

OK Willard

You have a P6, what is that?
 
#4 ·
It's the military/government version of the commercial P225, and was the initial development. The designed it for Military trials, and then commercialized it for civilian sales.
Like the M11 was developed from the P228, to meet military requirements for a 9mm more compact with a smaller grip circumference. In that case, the P228 came first.
The Mk25, was developed out of the P226, with improvements desired by the Navy's Seals.
 
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#5 ·
Thank you:thanks:

Now some of this is starting to make some sense.:thanks:
 
#6 ·
Check out Wikipedia on Sig Sauer, quite informative on some of the different models, and "Who" uses them.
 
#7 ·
The original P225 was derivative of the P6, which, as Willard noted, was developed for military/police deployment. The P225 was discontinued by Sig in the late 90s/early '00s. The P225-1 was a "reintroduction" undertaken by Sig last year, but some things carried over, while others did not. For example, the mags from the original P225 and the 225-1 are not interchangeable. The original P225 had a squared-off trigger guard, whereas the 225-1 does not.
The 239 was developed, I believe, for police/military use in situations when an even smaller pistol than a P225 (or P6) was called for (but others may point out otherwise).
 
#8 ·
:thanks:

See now this is making some sense.
 
#12 ·
First gun I ever bought, almost 50 years old, still going strong. I can see the similarities. Of course the Browning is the basis for most modern gun design, barrel lockup, etc.

Good shooter, all steel, my only 9mm, paid I think about $105 for it
 
#18 ·
I'm the same as You, Confused when I see the different models being discussed.
I even wonder id the stickers on the box/case gas that info.
I have two S&W Revolvers that I purchased new and I could not tell You if My Model 10
is ---- Turns out My Model 28 was a reconditioned one sold to Me as New and was not
even in the original box. A G S told me about three years later when I took both in for
Trigger jobs.
 
#22 · (Edited)
Below is a partial sequence of the classic P-Series guns from the history page on SIG's website. The introduction dates are from several sources, confirmed by a serial number list on one of the SIG forums. If a model was designed for a specific purpose, that is shown in parentheses.

P210 - 1949 (Swiss Army)
- chambered in 9mm
- partially based on Charles Petter's design for the French Modele 1935A
P220 - 1975 (Swiss Army)
- originally chambered in 9mm
- adopted in 9mm as the P75 as the primary handgun of the Swiss miilitary
- commercially imported to the US as the Browning BDA
- later chambered in .45 ACP for the US market
P230 - 1976 (Swiss Police)
- chambered in .32 and .380
P225 - 1978 - compact P220 (German Police)
- chambered in 9mm
- named the P6 for German police and P225 for commercial sales
P226 - 1982 (US Army trials)
- originally chambered in 9mm
- changed in the early 1990s to a milled slide beefed up for .40 S&W and later the .357 SIG
P228 - 1988 - compact P226
- chambered in 9mm
- adopted by the US military as the M11
P229 - 1992 - derived from P228
- milled slide was beefed up for .40 S&W and later the .357 SIG in 1994
- chambered in 9mm in 1996

and room for (a lot of) argument:
M11-A1 - a 9mm P229 dressed up like the military's M11 version of the P228
P225-A1 - a 9mm P239 top end on a modified P229(?) frame meant to be an improved P225
 
#30 · (Edited)
I'm going to try and sum it up in a basic way. I'm not going to include all the finish variants, internal/external extractor, German vs. W. German, etc... or any of the polymer guns.

P210: Target-size, single stack, steel slide, 9mm

P220: Full-size, single stack, carbon steel slide (stainless steel slide currently), 45 ACP and 10mm (stainless slide only), (originally also offered in 9mm and .38 Super in carbon steel slides)

P224: Compact, double stack, stainless steel slide, 9mm, .357 SIG, and .40 S&W

P225: Mid-size, single stack, carbon steel slide, 9mm

P6: Mid-size, single stack, carbon steel slide, 9mm (this is the German Police version of the P225)

P225-A1: Mid-size, single stack, stainless steel slide, 9mm

P226: Full-size, double stack, carbon steel slide (stainless steel slide currently), 9mm, .357 SIG, and .40 S&W (only available in 9mm in carbon steel slide)

P227: Mid-size, double stack, stainless steel slide, .45 ACP

P228: Mid-size, double stack, carbon steel slide, 9mm

M11-A1: Mid-size, double stack, stainless steel slide, 9mm (an updated version of P228)

P229: Mid-size, double stack, stainless steel slide, 9mm, .357 SIG, .40 S&W

P230: Sub-compact, single stack, stainless steel slide, .380 ACP

P232: Sub-compact, single stack, stainless steel slide, .380 ACP

P238: Sub-compact, single stack, stainless steel slide, .380 ACP, (this is a 1911 style gun)

P239: Compact, single stack, stainless steel slide, 9mm, .357 SIG, .40 S&W

P245: Compact, single stack, carbon steel slide, .45 ACP

P938: Sub-compact, single stack, stainless steel slide, 9mm, (this is a 1911 style gun)

Many of the models are offered in all stainless steel and/or Elite versions. Elite versions have forward cocking serrations and a beaver-tail. A Dark version is a black all-stainless version. Match versions come with an extended slide and barrel.

Look here for other SIG references:

SIG WEAPONS
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer

Hopefully I got everything mostly right. Feel free to point out any errors or add any info.
 
#35 ·
I'm going to try and sum it up in a basic way. I'm not going to include all the finish variants, internal/external extractor, German vs. W. German, etc... or any of the polymer guns.

P210: Target-size, single stack, steel slide, 9mm

P220: Full-size, single stack, carbon steel slide (stainless steel slide currently), 45 ACP (originally also offered in 9mm and .38 Super in carbon steel slides)

P224: Compact, double stack, stainless steel slide, 9mm, .357 SIG, and .40 S&W

P225: Mid-size, single stack, carbon steel slide, 9mm

P6: Mid-size, single stack, carbon steel slide, 9mm (this is the German Police version of the P225)

P225-A1: Mid-size, single stack, stainless steel slide, 9mm

P226: Full-size, double stack, carbon steel slide (stainless steel slide currently), 9mm, .357 SIG, and .40 S&W (only available in 9mm in carbon steel slide)

P227: Mid-size, double stack, stainless steel slide, .45 ACP

P228: Mid-size, double stack, carbon steel slide, 9mm

M11-A1: Mid-size, double stack, stainless steel slide, 9mm (an updated version of P228)

P229: Mid-size, double stack, stainless steel slide, 9mm, .357 SIG, .40 S&W

P230: Sub-compact, single stack, stainless steel slide, .380 ACP

P232: Sub-compact, single stack, stainless steel slide, .380 ACP

P238: Sub-compact, single stack, stainless steel slide, .380 ACP, (this is a 1911 style gun)

P239: Compact, single stack, stainless steel slide, 9mm, .357 SIG, .40 S&W

P245: Compact, single stack, carbon steel slide, .45 ACP

P938: Sub-compact, single stack, stainless steel slide, 9mm, (this is a 1911 style gun)

Many of the models are offered in all stainless steel and/or Elite versions. Elite versions have forward cocking serrations and a beaver-tail. A Dark version is a black all-stainless version. Match versions come with an extended slide and barrel.

Look here for other SIG references:

SIG WEAPONS
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer

Hopefully I got everything mostly right. Feel free to point out any errors or add any info.
This is the list if definitions I was planning to post, most accurate and concise way of not basically writing a book about it. Best thing you can do it choose a model, look at pictures and videos of it, then read about the history. If it intrigues you try to find one in person. They are not a quick study, I think I speak for everyone with any kind of in depth knowledge of them that it is not something you learn in a week, a month, or even a year. That being said you will never stop learning and there will always be these new oddities either in new productions or ones that surface from 25 years ago that make you go "WHAT THE @$#% is that?!?" especially once you take interest in the numbering, and combinations, and fittings, and finish...

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#47 ·
The P6 was SIG's entry into West Germany's effort to standardize a 9x19mm police service sidearm on a national level. The P1 was the post-war P38 with an alloy frame. The P2 was a SIG P210-4, and P3s were the Astra 600s that the Third Reich had ordered for the Luftwaffe during WWII that were not delivered. The P4 was a PIP Walther P38/P1 with an improved safety, locking block, and shorter, fatter barrel. The P5 was Walther's entry into the police service istol competiton/fray, with the P6 being SIG's entry. The P7 was HK's PSP squeeze-cocker, and the P8 was HK's USP. The P225A1 is a much more svelte pistola that the original P225, which was the commercial model designation for the P6. I have both, and prefer the P225A1.
 
#48 ·
This is from Wikipedia under Sig Sauer:

The P229 is nearly identical to the P228, however its slide is made from milled stainless steel (versus the P228's forged carbon steel slide) and is available in 9mm, .40 S&W, and .357 SIG. In the summer of 2012, SIG Sauer announced they were releasing the M11A1, which is essentially the milled-slide P229 chambered in 9mm with P228-labeled grips, a short reset trigger, SIGLITE tritium night sights, Mec-Gar 15-round magazines, and a military style smart tag and serial number
 
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