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Old 10-21-2016, 08:24 AM   #1
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Pistol inspection after exploded round

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New to the forum! I own plenty of Sigs and love them all. Recently at the shooting range my dad used a remanufactured reload from a factory. Unfortunately the round exploded and the case ruptured in the handgun. The Sig Scorpion took it like a champ though. The magazine shot downwards from the force of the explosion and the only thing that SEEMED to take damaged was the mag spring.

I did a quick inspection of the pistol and found no major damage. I shot another magazine out of it without issues. Looking back on it, that was probably a bad idea. Especially after looking at this on the HK forums

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It got me thinking, what should I do to ensure my pistol is in complete functioning condition after the ruptured round? Any inputs. The only obvious thing I can think of is 1. Completely disassemble and inspect every part myself or 2. Take it to a cert gunsmith to check for me.

Any and all inputs would be appreciated!
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Old 10-21-2016, 08:31 AM   #2
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Welcome to the Forum.

If you have completely dissembled it and inspected every part, combined with your firing of it without a problem. It is most likely OK. I would not take it to a regular gunsmith.

If it your primary weapon I would send it back to Sig and ask for an inspection.
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A factory check is what it would take for me....
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If the magazine was blown out, I would suspect damage to the magazine catch the could result in the gun jamming or dropping the magazine when you need the gun the most. I would examine that at the very least. Other parts could have been damaged as well and you won't see it without an experienced eye doing a complete strip and examining it.

But really, I would take Redfish's advice and send it in for inspection by SIG.
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Mobius2386, first off, glad your father wasn't hurt. Hard to tell if this was caused by an over-charge, or a stressed case. That's why most manufacturers will not warranty weapons with reloads or remanufactured ammo. Who know how many times that case was reloaded?
Never the less, if it was sold commercially, I would contact them, and see what they are willing to do. Will they pay for Magnetic Particle Testing? This will find any "hidden" problems, not visible to the naked eye, or even magnification. As GBIA stated, the magazine catch had to be compromised, for the magazine to eject. Did it possibly "stretch" the frame around the magazine catch, and possibly make the catch looser?
Before sending it back to Sig, I would talk to them first, and get their impressions, but I would contact the ammunition folks first, about their liability insurance. Hopefully you saved the cartridge case you photographed.
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Willard. Thanks! I'm glad it didn't do harm to him too! That's a pretty good idea to contact the manufacture. My dad did save the round cuz I told him to keep it to prove how lucky he is. Unfortunately, I'm sure he does not have the box or receipt the ammo came in and the casing shows whatever original brand brass it was. I'll still contact them and see what they can do.

I talked to Sig, they recommend either a full service check or an hour of maintenance to ensure all is good. I have insurance on all my guns just incase any of them get stolen or damaged. I wonder if the insurance company would make good on paying for the inspection (or the ammo manufacture for that matter).
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It's possible, and your insurance company would probably cover it, minus any deductible, to insure it is safe to fire. I imagine that there is probably someone in a city the size of Charlotte, that does "Non Destructive" testing. Whether or not they will do it on firearms will be dependent on their policy. Check with your dad to see if he has the box at least, to at least identify who the reloaders were. Without a receipt, it may be difficult to "prove" it was a round "they" reloaded, but due to social media, these days, they may not want any "bad press". That, in my mind, puts your dad, in the driver's seat!
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I suspect that your "gun insurance" only pertains to a situation where one or more of your guns were stolen. No insurance commonality is going to get involved in this type of situation. It's sure not there fault you used defective ammunition. They also wont want to get infolved in helping you make sure the gun performs properly because this would put them in a position of liability for the guns use. If it was my gun I would replace the damaged magazine and test the gun for function. If it test out then move on. Be more selective with your ammo choices in the future..
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I wouldn't feel right about it until I sent it to Sig for a look at.
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I talked to Sig, they recommend either a full service check or an hour of maintenance to ensure all is good. I have insurance on all my guns just in case any of them get stolen or damaged.
First, let me tell you that I believe it is highly unlikely an over-pressure round blowing apart in a high quality Sig like the Scorpion - looking at the condition of the case you show - would cause any harm.

That said - IMO, You have the best advice you can get in a case like this - from Sig.

With only a few exceptions, any of my firearms may be called on to save a life. If there is ANY possibility one of them may not function when I need it to, that possibility needs to be resolved.

Insurance or not, I wouldn't hesitate one second to send it to Sig and have it properly inspected - if I had to pay to have that done - the first question I would answer to myself would be - how much is my life worth.

Send it to Sig - get it looked at and be confident there is no damage.
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Some thoughts on the magazine. If it does not appear to be damaged I would remove the spring and compare it to one from another magazine. If it appeared to be okay I would Put it back in the magazine and fully load it and cycle the rounds through load and eject racking the slide. I would also insert it and tug on it to see if it pops out readily. If it makes it through those tests successfully it is very likely okay. As to the pistol, I agree with the others. Send it to SIG. When you get it back you can use that magazine in live fire and, if it has any hiccups, deal with it as you see fit.
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Don't most manufacturers still proof their barrels with over charges or high charges like the days of old? Proof stamps on the barrel show it's been tested for some like Hk.

Either way I agree most likely it was a weak case and not a double charge.
But even with a full disassembly unless you're familiar with the specs and shapes of each part how can you tell it something did or didn't get tweaked? That's why I'd probably send it to Sig and let them check it out.
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That Is EXACTLY Why I Have Never Used Any Reloads or Reman Ammo in any of My Firearms. Your Father was extremely lucky that He was not hurt at all.
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If your worried send it to sig.


Thats why you dont buy remanufactured ammo. You dont know who is doing it, how they load and adjust powder, or if they have any form of quality control.

Contact the remanufacturer about damages. Maybe you can get repairs done. That is if they are licensed





Thas why when i load my own ammo i visually inspect every case to verify powder charge is visually the same hight in the case. I also check all my loaded ammo for semi auto guns in a headspace gage.



Also i would not fire any more of their ammo.

Im not sure i would save the brass or primers. the powder is trash. The bullets may be ok if they mic ok


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If your worried send it to sig.

Thats why you dont buy remanufactured ammo. You dont know who is doing it, how they load and adjust powder, or if they have any form of quality control.

Contact the remanufacturer about damages. Maybe you can get repairs done. That is if they are licensed
Thas why when i load my own ammo i visually inspect every case to verify powder charge is visually the same hight in the case. I also check all my loaded ammo for semi auto guns in a headspace gage.

Also i would not fire any more of their ammo.

Im not sure i would save the brass or primers. the powder is trash. The bullets may be ok if they mic ok

Live and learn.
same here, back 2 months posted here about problems with reman ammo, bought it at a gun show back a few years ago when there was nothing available. Now have 1000 rds of who knows what, have to pull them all and save the bullets. aghhhhh

It is usually a **** shoot buying reman, some of them are ok, others not, you never know.
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