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Old 10-25-2016, 02:23 PM   #1
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My new Sig M11-A1 and P225-A1...My impressions

The M11-A1 and the P225-A1 side by side on the range.

I'm the proud owner of the M11-A1 and the P225-A1, both purchased within tha last month. They have been added to my collection of a Springfield Loaded 1911, a Sig P938, and a Springfield XD Mod 2 9MM 3". I took the M11-A1 and the P225-A1 out to the range today and shot them side by side and have some impressions.

First a little background. I purchased the M11-A1 about three weeks ago and took it to the range a few days after I received it. On that first outing, I discovered a few things I wanted to change on it.

Before I purchased it, I made a visit to a gun shop while I was in Salt Lake City on business. My hotel was close by a very well Sig stocked gun store so I dropped in to get some hands on with a few that I was interested in. The one model they didn't have was the M11-A1. I spent about an hour or so dry shooting and looking at the P226, P229, the 226 and 229 Legion, and the P229 SAS. All had double action pulls of about 9-10 lbs or so. I think the Legion was a touch lighter and smoother but all roughly similar DA pulls. When my M11-A1 finally came, I was very surprised to find that it's DA pull was much harder than all of those other ones I tried. It had to be 12Lbs +. It was a monster. I could get some good groupings with it, accuracy is not an issue with these pistols, but it was just much harder than I wanted.

Because of that hard pull, the fatty tissue on my trigger finger would sneak behind the short reach trigger and pinch it every time I pulled DA. I don't like that!

The second thing I realized was that the stock plastic grips had to go. The skateboard style texturing ran up all the way to where the inside of the upper thumb knuckle landed and it immediately started to whittle away the skin there. To make matters worse, the transition between that texturing and the smooth part under the hammer was as sharp as a razor blade and landed right on the inside upper thumb knuckle..ouch! The grips had to go.

I had one issue with the pistol's operation. It was flawless during shooting. The rounds fed and ejected without a hitch and the accuracy was phenomenal. The issue occurred after I inserted a full magazine and attempted to chamber the first round by racking the slide back and releasing it. The round got stuck at the feed ramp. I had to rack the slide a few times to get it to resume chambering the round which it did. It never had a failure to feed during firing however. It only occurred once out of about 10 mag changes. More on this later.

After that first trip to the range the M11-A1 received these changes;
1. The grip was changed to Houge G10 checkered grips.
2. The trigger was replaced with the standard "Trigger 6" trigger
3. The #21 hammer spring was replaced by a #18 hammer spring that brought the DA pull to be about the same as all the other Sigs I tried...about 10Lbs.

Now enter the P225-A1 Classic Carry which arrived a few days ago. I took both to the range today. The M11-A1 second outing and the first for the P225-A1.

First, the grip trigger and hammer spring improved the M11-A1 in those areas mentioned above. The trigger reach increased a tiny bit, a distance I was hoping the grips would compensate for but in reality, the reach is just a tad long now. No pinching though!! The grips made peace with my hands and the double action pull was now in line with the other sigs I've tried. I did have two instances again where when chambering the first round of a mag, it hung up just a moment before it slammed the round home in the chamber. It was just for a beat and not the full snag it has done before. Again, the M11-A1 performed flawlessly under firing operation. I think it may be the magazines. I have never been able to load the 15th round in these p229-1 magazines. It's seems impossible to do so. In addition, the 14th round is in there pretty tight. I'm thinking it may be an issue with the stiff magazines. Keep in mind that it has only happened when loading the first round of the magazine, not during firing.

The M11-A1 was as accurate as ever. Even I can drill the center out of the target at 10 yards and I've only been shooting for a short while.

The P225-A1...where do I start. First, it feels like this pistol was custom made for me. The ergonomics are perfect...the double action is a smooth 8-9 lbs, lighter than any other DA/SA Sig I've tried. I wouldn't want it any lighter nor would I want it any heavier. The trigger reach is perfect...and it came with a standard trigger! Now when I go back to the M11-A1, I feel like I'm stretching. Maybe I need to try the E2 grips on it. The P225-A1 grips feels so natural. The thinner grips take the pressure point off of the inside of my thumb knuckle. For my hand size, the P225-A1 improves the ergonomics in every way over the M11-A1. I should mention my P225-A1 is the Classic Carry edition that came with the white accent stripes, three magazines, and the G10 grips with white accents and the Sig logo. Both shot extremely accurate. I could be more please with both but the P225-A1 is my absolute favorite pistol of all my pistols because of the perfect ergonomics the sweet DA/SA SRT trigger, the amazing accuracy, the smooth operation, and over all feel of quality. Don't get me wrong, the M11-A1 isn't going anywhere as it is as good as it gets. I just need to fine tune it a bit but it's a keeper.

Over all I'm very pleased with my purchases. The P225-A1 has exceeded my expectations for a single stack carry pistol with perfect ergonomics combined with amazing accuracy and super smooth operation.

Go Sig!
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Old 10-25-2016, 02:30 PM   #2
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Wow, really nice report and very interesting to me as I have had my M11A1 for a while now (it's my EDC) but *just* purchased the P225-A1 carry edition (same as yours). I don't have it yet (shipping via ground so I'm guessing next week sometime) and I'm *really* anxious to fire it.

I had Sig do the AEP on my M11A1, to both reduce the trigger pull as well as smooth it out. It's now smooth as silk and exactly the right weight. At the same time I had them put the standard trigger on, because that short reach was pinching my finger. So now *that's* perfect. I'm using a Crimson Trace on it, so the grips are those and are fine to me.

I was a bit worried about pull on the P225A1, because I've heard conflicting reports. Some folks say it's fine (like yourself) but others say it's VERY stiff. So I'm still a bit worried (and was thinking about having Sig do the AEP on it as well if need be).

Thanks for the report, though -- can now hardly wait to shoot my new Sig.
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I was a bit worried about pull on the P225A1, because I've heard conflicting reports. Some folks say it's fine (like yourself) but others say it's VERY stiff. So I'm still a bit worried (and was thinking about having Sig do the AEP on it as well if need be).
I haven't heard the conflicting reports on the P225-A1 DA trigger pull but if it's anything like mine, you'll love it.
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Nice set of A1's
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What they say about nothing being perfect for everyone is very true. I took my M11-A1 to the range for the first time today during lunch and put two boxes of federal white box and a magazine of Federal HST. The SRT on the M11 feels better than the SRT on my old P229 Scorpion. The DA feel lighter as well. I'd guess 8.5 to 9.5 lbs rough estimate. Again feels lighter than the Scorpion did. I didn't have any of the 1st round stripping issues reported by yourself and others. Yes the springs were a little tight on the last round during loading them, but not an issue. I was getting sub 1.5” groups at 10 yards without really digging down into my fundamentals.

This is the first pistol I've ever owned that shoots directly above the front site post at 10 yards as well. I've usually had to make adjustments or replace the sites completely and expected the same on the M11 as well. Pleasantly surprised with that as it saves time and or money.

Was easy enough to field strip and do a quick wipe down and snake the bore. I do the whole frog lube and heat gun treatment to all my firearms though. I'll be taking it to the range again this weekend and put another 200 rounds down the pipe before I put it into my carry rotation, but as of now, I do not foresee a problem with it being used in that capacity.
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Love my 225A1! I will say the trigger pull does feel a little heavier than most other SIGs I've had but it's smooth and easily shootable. The reason for the heaviness relative to other models is SIG used a DAK hammer spring for some reason no one knows why.

I talked to SIG CS who talked to the Custom Shop and they change the 225A1 hammer spring to the lighter standard one when they do the AEP. I also talked to Robert Burke aka The SIG Armorer and he does the same thing.
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Love my 225A1! I will say the trigger pull does feel a little heavier than most other SIGs I've had but it's smooth and easily shootable. The reason for the heaviness relative to other models is SIG used a DAK hammer spring for some reason no one knows why.

I talked to SIG CS who talked to the Custom Shop and they change the 225A1 hammer spring to the lighter standard one when they do the AEP. I also talked to Robert Burke aka The SIG Armorer and he does the same thing.
Right, and that may well be what I have to do (I'll know more when I get it next week). My AEP on the M11A1 was perfect.
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The M11-A1 and the P225-A1 side by side on the range.

I'm the proud owner of the M11-A1 and the P225-A1, both purchased within tha last month. They have been added to my collection of a Springfield Loaded 1911, a Sig P938, and a Springfield XD Mod 2 9MM 3". I took the M11-A1 and the P225-A1 out to the range today and shot them side by side and have some impressions.

First a little background. I purchased the M11-A1 about three weeks ago and took it to the range a few days after I received it. On that first outing, I discovered a few things I wanted to change on it.

Before I purchased it, I made a visit to a gun shop while I was in Salt Lake City on business. My hotel was close by a very well Sig stocked gun store so I dropped in to get some hands on with a few that I was interested in. The one model they didn't have was the M11-A1. I spent about an hour or so dry shooting and looking at the P226, P229, the 226 and 229 Legion, and the P229 SAS. All had double action pulls of about 9-10 lbs or so. I think the Legion was a touch lighter and smoother but all roughly similar DA pulls. When my M11-A1 finally came, I was very surprised to find that it's DA pull was much harder than all of those other ones I tried. It had to be 12Lbs +. It was a monster. I could get some good groupings with it, accuracy is not an issue with these pistols, but it was just much harder than I wanted.

Because of that hard pull, the fatty tissue on my trigger finger would sneak behind the short reach trigger and pinch it every time I pulled DA. I don't like that!

The second thing I realized was that the stock plastic grips had to go. The skateboard style texturing ran up all the way to where the inside of the upper thumb knuckle landed and it immediately started to whittle away the skin there. To make matters worse, the transition between that texturing and the smooth part under the hammer was as sharp as a razor blade and landed right on the inside upper thumb knuckle..ouch! The grips had to go.

I had one issue with the pistol's operation. It was flawless during shooting. The rounds fed and ejected without a hitch and the accuracy was phenomenal. The issue occurred after I inserted a full magazine and attempted to chamber the first round by racking the slide back and releasing it. The round got stuck at the feed ramp. I had to rack the slide a few times to get it to resume chambering the round which it did. It never had a failure to feed during firing however. It only occurred once out of about 10 mag changes. More on this later.

After that first trip to the range the M11-A1 received these changes;
1. The grip was changed to Houge G10 checkered grips.
2. The trigger was replaced with the standard "Trigger 6" trigger
3. The #21 hammer spring was replaced by a #18 hammer spring that brought the DA pull to be about the same as all the other Sigs I tried...about 10Lbs.

Now enter the P225-A1 Classic Carry which arrived a few days ago. I took both to the range today. The M11-A1 second outing and the first for the P225-A1.

First, the grip trigger and hammer spring improved the M11-A1 in those areas mentioned above. The trigger reach increased a tiny bit, a distance I was hoping the grips would compensate for but in reality, the reach is just a tad long now. No pinching though!! The grips made peace with my hands and the double action pull was now in line with the other sigs I've tried. I did have two instances again where when chambering the first round of a mag, it hung up just a moment before it slammed the round home in the chamber. It was just for a beat and not the full snag it has done before. Again, the M11-A1 performed flawlessly under firing operation. I think it may be the magazines. I have never been able to load the 15th round in these p229-1 magazines. It's seems impossible to do so. In addition, the 14th round is in there pretty tight. I'm thinking it may be an issue with the stiff magazines. Keep in mind that it has only happened when loading the first round of the magazine, not during firing.

The M11-A1 was as accurate as ever. Even I can drill the center out of the target at 10 yards and I've only been shooting for a short while.

The P225-A1...where do I start. First, it feels like this pistol was custom made for me. The ergonomics are perfect...the double action is a smooth 8-9 lbs, lighter than any other DA/SA Sig I've tried. I wouldn't want it any lighter nor would I want it any heavier. The trigger reach is perfect...and it came with a standard trigger! Now when I go back to the M11-A1, I feel like I'm stretching. Maybe I need to try the E2 grips on it. The P225-A1 grips feels so natural. The thinner grips take the pressure point off of the inside of my thumb knuckle. For my hand size, the P225-A1 improves the ergonomics in every way over the M11-A1. I should mention my P225-A1 is the Classic Carry edition that came with the white accent stripes, three magazines, and the G10 grips with white accents and the Sig logo. Both shot extremely accurate. I could be more please with both but the P225-A1 is my absolute favorite pistol of all my pistols because of the perfect ergonomics the sweet DA/SA SRT trigger, the amazing accuracy, the smooth operation, and over all feel of quality. Don't get me wrong, the M11-A1 isn't going anywhere as it is as good as it gets. I just need to fine tune it a bit but it's a keeper.

Over all I'm very pleased with my purchases. The P225-A1 has exceeded my expectations for a single stack carry pistol with perfect ergonomics combined with amazing accuracy and super smooth operation.

Go Sig!
Nice post, good reading. I have had SIGs since 2013.

My 225-A1 Two Tone is amazing. Fits like a glove, shoots as well as any gun I own, and is pretty sexy looking. A perfect gun.

I still like my P229 SAS Gen 2 , 357 SIG better. But it's great to own two guns that you love to own and shoot!
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A quick update.... When I changed the M11-A1 grips to Houge G10 and the trigger to the standard trigger 6, the trigger reach turned out to be just to far for my hands. I was contemplating the E2 grips but I really don't like the feel of those as much as I do the G10s. I reluctantly reinstalled the short reach trigger and viola, the short reach trigger in combination with the G10 grips makes for a perfect reach for me. I loved the standard trigger but I can make the short reach trigger work by making sure my finger placement is correct and not snug it into the joint fold. I realized that the only reason my finger was being pinched was that I was getting sloppy with my finger placement on the trigger.

All is well in Sig world now!

...I did drop a Stainless Steel guide rod in from Rhyno Technologies ... We'll see how that goes.

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A quick update.... When I changed the M11-A1 grips to Houge G10 and the trigger to the standard trigger 6, the trigger reach turned out to be just to far for my hands. I was contemplating the E2 grips but I really don't like the feel of those as much as I do the G10s. I reluctantly reinstalled the short reach trigger and viola, the short reach trigger in combination with the G10 grips makes for a perfect reach for me. I loved the standard trigger but I can make the short reach trigger work by making sure my finger placement is correct and not snug it into the joint fold. I realized that the only reason my finger was being pinched was that I was getting sloppy with my finger placement on the trigger.

All is well in Sig world now!
When I got my M11-A1, the FIRST thing I did was swap the grips to the E2. For my hands, the E2's are the most comfortable even if they are ugly as sin.
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Do you have a link for those E2 grips?

The only grips I can find are for the older P225 (which I guess is very different because Hogue's new grips for the P225-A1 are not released yet but on pre-order).
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When I got my M11-A1, the FIRST thing I did was swap the grips to the E2. For my hands, the E2's are the most comfortable even if they are ugly as sin.
Yup...that would of probably done the trick for me as well but that's another $70 after just buying the G10s, holsters, etc. and I already had the trigger. So I'll try this for a while and if I just can't stand the short reach trigger, I'll go to that combo.
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Do you have a link for those E2 grips?

The only grips I can find are for the older P225 (which I guess is very different because Hogue's new grips for the P225-A1 are not released yet but on pre-order).
I don't think you're going to need any grips for that P225-A1. I don't think they even make E2 grips for that one.
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You're right -- I misread his post (thought he was talking about the P225).

I'm old and I'm tired.
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You're right -- I misread his post (thought he was talking about the P225).

I'm old and I'm tired.
I'm right there with ya
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