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Old 01-02-2017, 02:22 AM   #16
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"After all it was just a 226". Huh? Strangest thing I've heard on here in a while
At that price I would have bought either one... But I would prefer the 229 also only because I have a 226 X5 and don't own a 229. I never have any luck at shows.
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Old 01-02-2017, 02:58 AM   #17
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Any of the Legions line are Schweet....
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Second, the springs on magazines don't wear out from being kept loaded

Correct; it's the number of compression CYCLES that put the wear on a spring. If you shoot a lot (also known as, "practice"), the more magazines used, the fewer spring cycles per magazine... duh.

And thirdly, as the wise man once said, "if you don't have a good functioning magazine, you've got a single shot pistol" and more than a few folks feel the old adage, three is two; two is one and one is none.

So DCSig, there are some reasons to consider why some folks will invest in more than just two or three magazines - especially for a pistol they plan to keep for awhile or one their life may depend on.



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Old 01-02-2017, 05:30 AM   #19
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Some of us prefer the 229 to the 226, others the opposite, so not that strange.



for whatever reason, it appears that some, including myself, don't shoot one or the other as well,

Ooof, I can attest to that.
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Old 01-02-2017, 05:48 AM   #20
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Even though I only have 1 12 rounder and 2 14 rounder for my P229 and the 2 16 rounder that came with my SD9VE, I can understand why ppl have a lot of magazines. You can load 'em up at home before you hit the range and don't have to waste time at the range with loading magazines. My wife got 4 mags of .40 and 4 of .357 for her P239.
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I am a shooter not a collector. I constantly review my firearms basically asking them forget yesterday what are you doing for me today and if I don't like the answer time to leave.

I would rather have 2 types of 6 guns than 6 different types, that is me.

Depending on the firearm and its intended use the number of magazines varies. one set of range mags always loaded and ready for the range, one set of 3-4 SD mags always loaded and ready to go and another set of SD mags new unused for whatever just cause I can and want to.

Please note, springs do not weaken by being compressed anymore than mags being left empty. they weaken from use back and forth.
A bunch of Thompson 45 mags were loaded in 1945 and 40+ years later left untouched all emptied in full auto without a hiccup as an example.

I go by mag compatibility. If the M11A-1 and the P226 used the same magazines I would have both.

Funny thing is I am waiting to see what deal I can get on either a full size P220 (to go with my P220 carry) or finding a P227 carry (had one sold it, bad decision) to go with my P227R.
Thing is a P227R is really a p226 in 45 and a P227 Carry is really a P229 in 45 but it is the magazine compatibility that allows them to be desired for me
Same with the P220, both use the same magazine
I have 8 mags for my P220, considered a non SD gun at this time so 7 mags (56 rounds) are range ready. No need to take loaders just grab the bag and shoot all the mags and leave

I use the same 6 G3 Pmags for QC training with my PWS MK1s but have over 100.

Frankly, I don't understand not having 8 mags minimum for each pistol that is a regular range used gun. I do only have 5 mags for my nightstand gun, 2 SD and 3 range but i rarely shoot that (5 also for my car gun).

I don't have to use extra mags I have but I can't use mags I don't have from lost. stolen, broke or the inevitable sure to happen any day read it on the internet so it has to be true Zombie Apocalypse
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Old 01-02-2017, 09:39 AM   #22
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You're clearly too young to have lived through the Clinton magazine restriction era, or the whiskey is making you forget. That is one major reason why folks stock up.

Second, the springs on magazines don't wear out from being kept loaded

Ah contrare, Pierre:
- I did live through the Clinton mag ban, I just did not care about it because at that time I was not into firearms that were affected by it. That being said, your point is valid. Thank you for helping me understand why folks acquire copious amounts of magazines (even though they cannot be read to help pass the time, lol).
- I will go back to my Design of Machine elements texts, however, I believe that I am correct in my original statement and will attempt to clarify further here. First, I did not say that mag springs wear out. I said that they plastically deform (and decrease in length as a result). A spring which cycles (expands and contracts) within its elastic range has a VERY long life, nearly infinite. A spring which is compressed constantly, on the other hand, "takes a set" and decreases in length. That decrease in length MAY make it exert too little force on the slide latch to lock the slide open after the last round has been fired.

FYI - I hope you catch my drift that this post and my original one are intended to be humorous. Except for the parts trying to keep you from a horrible death via the teeth of the Undead during the Zombpocalypse. I am very serious about trying to help you remain alive at that time! Wait a minute, then you will be competing with me for food, ammo, water, medical supplies...
Okay then, never mind - disregard all of my advice. It is obviously wrong. Carry on, as your were. Sorry to have troubled you.
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Old 01-03-2017, 07:31 AM   #23
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I was doing the Melbourne Gun show and someone came in with a Legion so naturally I asked what it was and what he wanted for it hoping it was a 9MM P229.

It was a 9MM but a P226, with the Medallion and soft case + regular case with 3 mags unfired.
he wanted $1K
I said that was a fair price but unless he found someone who was actually looking for one it might not happen. he said a dealer offered him $750.00 and I said I would give him $850.00 but he should walk around and see if he could get more.
he said he needed the dough and would take my offer. I was worried it was too good a deal so asked for ID which he gave so WTH.

I did not intend on selling it I mean that is a smoking deal (IMO) but a guy I knew talked me into letting him have it for $950.00 and that paid my show expenses and after all it was just a P226 not a P229 so I had it then it was gone. It was in my hand but now it flew away

I sold my MK25 last show (to the same guy) and before I bought this Legion brought all my P226 mags to this show and they sold before I got the Legion ($20.00 each for new USA made). Had I not sold all the mags I might have kept the Legion but:

Such is life
No mention of the "Challenge Coin" that would have been the most important part of this buy. Without it you probably done the right thing in getting rid of the safe queen
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No mention of the "Challenge Coin" that would have been the most important part of this buy. Without it you probably done the right thing in getting rid of the safe queen

Oh no, it had the extra soft case and the coin/medallion thingy.
The soft case and the coin are meaningless to me however I always want a package because when selling later many insist on those extras

I really bought this for myself and did not offer to sell it. But, the guy who bought my MK25 came by to say how much he loved his P226 and I knew he would like to see it. He wanted it bad and not being a P229 I was happy to have it but he basically talked me into reimbursing me + paying my table for the show.
I knew I would not shoot it much and as soon as I did fire a round it would drop in value so gah-by.
I would bet I never see a P229 legion deal like that ever never ever in my lifetime
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I have both the P226 and P229 Legon. My favorite is the P226. Seems to shoot better of me.

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Correct; it's the number of compression CYCLES that put the wear on a spring. If you shoot a lot (also known as, "practice"), the more magazines used, the fewer spring cycles per magazine... duh.

And thirdly, as the wise man once said, "if you don't have a good functioning magazine, you've got a single shot pistol" and more than a few folks feel the old adage, three is two; two is one and one is none.

So DCSig, there are some reasons to consider why some folks will invest in more than just two or three magazines - especially for a pistol they plan to keep for awhile or one their life may depend on.



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Not to beat a dead horse, but also keeping magazines fully loaded for long periods will reduce the power a mag spring.
People argue about this, but you can't argue against material science. Creep is fatigue that occurs when all metals which are subjected to stress/strain through cyclical or static loading over time.
It's a good idea to cycle through magazines regularly, especially with your carry piece which is fully loaded all the time. I do this when I cycle through my carry ammo.
The more mags you have the more distributed you distribute this fatigue over multiple springs. Also It's nice not to have to reload at the range every 2 mags.
Unless you are trying save some bucks.
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From Physicsforum.com:
"The phenomenon known as creep, as mentioned above, only affects materials at or above ~0.4x their melting point, in absolute temperature (kelvin). This is unlikely to be an issue in regular service unless your springs are made of something absurd like lead....
It's safe to say that storing your {loaded} mag in a properly designed gun, will not wear out the spring prematurely. However, removing 1 or 2 rounds would increase the odds that you are maintaining the spring stress below the critical fatigue limit."
And from the same Physics forum:
"Stress-strain cycles, on the other hand, play a major role in spring wear."

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From Physicsforum.com:
"The phenomenon known as creep, as mentioned above, only affects materials at or above ~0.4x their melting point, in absolute temperature (kelvin). This is unlikely to be an issue in regular service unless your springs are made of something absurd like lead....
It's safe to say that storing your {loaded} mag in a properly designed gun, will not wear out the spring prematurely. However, removing 1 or 2 rounds would increase the odds that you are maintaining the spring stress below the critical fatigue limit."
And from the same Physics forum:
"Stress-strain cycles, on the other hand, play a major role in spring wear."
Not to get in a pissing match, but creep certainly does have an effect with static stress at room temperatures and dependent on the percentage of ultimate yield stress. The performance of a spring over time are subject to a combination of effects: fatigue, relaxation, creep, etc...
The effects will be related to the alloy, formation process and heat treatment.
How much of an effect on springs in mag? Perhaps not negligible but not zero.
I totally agree that removing 1 or 2 rounds would probably have a big effect simply by not being at the maximum state of strain.

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I like em both.
I'm with you on that.
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Some of us prefer the 229 to the 226, others the opposite, so not that strange.

for whatever reason, it appears that some, including myself, don't shoot one or the other as well,
I guess I prefer a $100 bill over 2 $50's but really, they are about the same to me. Feel that way about my 229 over my 226 (or 226's because I have more than 1).
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