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Old 07-24-2013, 06:18 PM   #1
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New P224 Failure to Feed

Wanted to share something with the crowd, maybe there's something I overlooked. Bought a new P224 in .40 DA/SA 2 weeks ago. I immediately took it to the range, and it had a failure to feed every other/third round. I was shooting PMC Bronze, chose 2 different batches and then shot some Federal Hydrashocks and had the same thing occured. I called SIG SAUER and to their credit the customer service tech was very professional. I told him that I'd like them to pay for shipping and while it was there being fixed I'd add the Tru Glo front sight and polish the feed ramp. I'd obviously pay for those two services. I called about 4 days ago to see what the issue was and the customer service rep said they fired 50 test rounds with no issues. I was shocked, but decided I would postpone any irritation until I shot it again. (Maybe the ramp polishing fixed it after all) Shipping was fast, I received the pistol back yesterday and took it out shooting today. Same issue, just not as often. FTF 6-7 times out of 200. I shot video of the failures both the first time it happened 2 weeks ago and now. I did not send the original video in figuring there was NO WAY they would miss something happening every 2-3 rounds. Sure, I'm irritated but I'm not going to go bashing SIG, but it's embarrassing. I do a lot of shooting and unfortunately this was not a good showing for their product in front of many onlookers. So, I'm going to have to send the pistol back yet again. I've uploaded the video to youtube so there is no doubt, and I'll test fire it when it gets back. This is my 4th SIG, I hope none of you folks have this issue but it's something to be aware of. My advice is to video the malfunction if possible and don't get lazy like I did, send it to them. I know I have a low post count, I usually do more reading than talking, I appreciate your site and any other ideas that I haven't thought of.

BTW, I've tried both magazines and 2 229 magazines, all with the same issue. I was able to replicate the issue using snap caps also. I sling shot and never slide release and the ammo I tested shot fine in my 229 and 226. Thanks again.
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Welcome. Whenever you sens a gun back, the more complete you documentation is the better their information to act on. You were right, you should have sent the video first time around.
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Same issue here. Gun has already been back to Sig once for it. Mine is failing to feed much more frequently than yours. What was your production date?

Sig's customer service is obviously a big joke. Yours and mine both sent in to CS and both come back still failing. That's what you call a pattern.
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Same issue here. Gun has already been back to Sig once for it. Mine is failing to feed much more frequently than yours. What was your production date?

Sig's customer service is obviously a big joke. Yours and mine both sent in to CS and both come back still failing. That's what you call a pattern.
Many here (and probably elsewhere too) have had positive experiences with them; not sure that Sig CS is obviously anything except maybe human.

Two out of how many equals a pattern?
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Actually 3, all from same production, and that's just between here and SF. 2 of 3 received gun back with same problems existing and the other is waiting to receive his back. That's a pattern.
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Actually 3, all from same production, and that's just between here and SF. 2 of 3 received gun back with same problems existing and the other is waiting to receive his back. That's a pattern.
OK, three out of a production run of? How many have gone back for any problems? How many for this problem? How many sent to Sig for this problem came back with the problem resolved?

I don't know the answers to these questions. I do know that I would need answers to these questions to support a conclusion that there is a pattern.

But then we may just have different definitions for the term pattern.
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Same issue here, but with P220. Sent back to Sig and they polished the feed ramp on mine. Same story as yours. Continued failure after they claim they shot a bunch of rounds through it.

At least with the P220, many people on this site and others are saying that most problems are solved with excesive lubrication until the weapon is broken in (one guy claimed 1-2K rounds to get his P220 to fire without issues). Anyhow, not sure if it is BS but I'm at least going to give that a try before I dump the gun.
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Hmm, I've never had any feeding issues with my P224. I've fired PMC Bronze, CCI Blazer (aluminum), Winchester white box, Winchester Ranger Talons and Federal Range & Target. The bullet weights were a mix of 165gr and 180gr.

EDIT: I just got home and wanted to check my "born on" date. Mine carries a label of 15-Jan-2013.

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Sorry to hear that you have issues.
I haven't had any issue with mine (P224 DA/SA, Jan 16 2013).


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Sorry to hear that you have issues.
I haven't had any issue with mine (P224 DA/SA, Jan 16 2013).


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+2 my DAK .40 and DA/SA .357 are perfect. Gee, is that a pattern?
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OK, three out of a production run of? How many have gone back for any problems? How many for this problem? How many sent to Sig for this problem came back with the problem resolved?

I don't know the answers to these questions. I do know that I would need answers to these questions to support a conclusion that there is a pattern.

But then we may just have different definitions for the term pattern.

The OP, myself, and DirtDoc on SF all bought our 224's at the same time. I've verified with DirtDoc that his 224 was made on the same day as mine. All 3 of us are having the same failure to feed problems with these guns. Did I say all of them were bad, no I didn't. I said this was a bad production run. If you got yours in January, awesome.

Don't get so butt hurt when folks are complaining about their Sigs not working. Multiple guns out of the same production have the exact same issue is a problem and a PATTERN of a problem with this production run. It's a sad state of affairs when the OP, and myself, send our guns in to get fixed only to have them returned and they still don't work.

Geez.
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First off get the sand out of the vag.

The OP, myself, and DirtDoc on SF all bought our 224's at the same time. I've verified with DirtDoc that his 224 was made on the same day as mine. All 3 of us are having the same failure to feed problems with these guns. Did I say all of them were bad, no I didn't. I said this was a bad production run. If you got yours in January, awesome.

Don't get so butt hurt when folks are complaining about their Sigs not working. Multiple guns out of the same production have the exact same issue is a problem and a PATTERN of a problem with this production run. It's a sad state of affairs when the OP, and myself, send our guns in to get fixed only to have them returned and they still don't work.

Geez.
Honestly, there's only one poster in the thread sounding butt hurt. Sorry everyone hasn't jumped on your bandwagon, it goes that way sometimes.
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Sorry to hear about the problem with your new P224. SIG will make it right.

I never had a problem myself with any of my SIGs but I don't own any subcompact models. In general subcompact models of autoloading pistols seem to be the most problematic.

I also don't usually buy a new model, particularly a subcompact, of firearm from ANY manufacturer until it has been out at least a year. I made an exception with the Walther PPQ but the PPQ is basically a slightly reworked Walther P99.

Keep us informed on how it goes.
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The OP, myself, and DirtDoc on SF all bought our 224's at the same time. I've verified with DirtDoc that his 224 was made on the same day as mine. All 3 of us are having the same failure to feed problems with these guns. Did I say all of them were bad, no I didn't. I said this was a bad production run. If you got yours in January, awesome.

Don't get so butt hurt when folks are complaining about their Sigs not working. Multiple guns out of the same production have the exact same issue is a problem and a PATTERN of a problem with this production run. It's a sad state of affairs when the OP, and myself, send our guns in to get fixed only to have them returned and they still don't work.

Geez.
My butt is just fine; not sure what I said that makes you think otherwise. To be honest, one of the reasons I spend time on this forum is to hear about problems with Sigs. I enjoy the mental exercise of a good failure analysis, testing my Sig knowledge (limited but growing) guessing at possible causes, and hearing from others on how problems have been identified and resolved. Sometimes I feel confident enough to offer a suggestion of my own...and hope like hell that fjgiie rings in with the same opinion.

I spent my entire career in the design, test, manufacturing and fielding of military weapon systems. I served eight years as the chief of quality control and four years as the deputy plant manager. I'm a degreed industrial engineer with a major in quality control, and I know a few things about detecting patterns in manufacturing.

I think it quite likely that there was/is a mechanical issue with your particular P224 and am interested to hear how it is eventually resolved. However, I stand by my opinion that your conclusion that a pattern exists here is unsupported by the available data.

Or, as I said, we're are using different definitions for the term pattern.
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After several encounters with Sig service, I am a firm believer that you get back what you put in. Communication is everything.
Failure to feed can be several different things, and giving the smith any possible clues to finding the problem, makes it more likely to find the issue.
A video could be very helpful along with any details possible.
Also it helps to have someone else shoot it to isolate that it is not operator error.
I have shot more guns than I can remember since the mid 70s and I had one gun, an EMP-9 I could not get to fire three rounds. Another shooter convinced me, it was me and a slight change in hold solved it completely.
Anyone can have a gun they don't match up to well. Sig has to know that has been covered, or if they shoot ok, they may just chalk it up to "limp wristing".
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