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Old 05-05-2017, 06:33 PM   #121
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I believe the original conception was a back up gun for cops in duty calibers that could be used as a primary carry weapon for off duty days. Available in cop service calibers .40/.357sig/9mm. Smaller and concealable but shootable as a primary weapon when desired.
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Old 05-05-2017, 11:27 PM   #122
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Maybe there was a reason for SIG's madness in the design of the P239. For many years there had been a loyal following for the P230 and P232 pistols. Many thought the ideal pistol would keep this design yet be available in modern more powerful cartridges. Problem being the blowback design could not handle the more powerful loadings. It seems to me that the P239 follows the 357 SIG idea. It is a 9mm on steroids. The P239 is the P230/P232 on steroids. They kept the same overall length/size and the rakish trigger guard style but added the wider, heavier slide with guide rod, etc. so it could handle the 9mm, .40 S&W, and 357 SIG. Maybe the design was SIG giving the SIG fans a pistol that they wanted.
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239=m66 2 1/2

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I believe the original conception was a back up gun for cops in duty calibers that could be used as a primary carry weapon for off duty days. Available in cop service calibers .40/.357sig/9mm. Smaller and concealable but shootable as a primary weapon when desired.
In the revolver days, you had 4,5,an 6 inch duty weapons.
Grips were swapped, holsters were swapped, and actions were tuned.
Most concealed weapons were either Colt or S&W and were a lot of compromise.
Then came the M-19 with the 2 1/2 inch barrel.
Carried one and loved it.
When the M-66 came out, I lusted for it, but with 2 kids could not afford it.
Now I have 2 239s with all caliber barrels and magazines.
And a M-66.
They are my Amex "Green", "Gold", and "Platinum". That is the space. They are not enough for a Sheepdog. But then do make me a Porcupine.
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Old 05-06-2017, 12:31 PM   #124
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To me its a P230 / 232 size, with a polymer frame (much lighter) and a heavier caliber (more practical well..way to speak) ... a nice evolution for a concealed-carry- weapon...worth considering if they bring it out in 45 ACP
It has an alloy frame, not polymer
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Old 05-10-2017, 04:59 PM   #125
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Ok now I want one . I get it now ,always thought it looked weird kinda fuggly . They all cant be 10s looks wise. Great for cc so I read.Must try one soon .
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Thank you for the great read All of you.
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Old 05-16-2017, 10:59 PM   #127
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Everything to be said pretty much has already been said.

But, OP, you know you asked a loaded question, right?

You started a thread already presupposing the p239 wasn't a great gun. You've made up your mind that it was useless, i.e. "what's the point."

In response, I would ask, can you name a compact single-stack handgun that is better than the p239? (for carry or what have you)

Some may be lighter, smaller, thinner.... but they ain't better.

That whole equation is a little different for those of us who strap p239s on day after day.
I don't know, it was a fair question from someone that doesn't have one. IMO the comments proven the point of the 239 exactly. This may just give the op and others that much more incentive to try one now or in the future and that my friend is why it was a better question than you may suppose.

I have wanted one for years, many years. I too was a little concerned about the weight as well as the width, but it felt perfect in my hand, my hip all day was my concern. After some recent prodding from friends I jumped in and bought mine. I couldn't be more happy and it is a dream to carry IWB. So far, and I don't expect it to change, it is the perfect pistol and in fact I wish I bought one years ago.
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Circuitspore, I'm with you. I own a 9mm 239 that I bought in the 90's, but I have never carried it. In the heat we have here, the high today will be near 80, I normally carry a Shield from March to mid-November. Then, during the cooler months, I switch over to a 229. Still, it would not stop me from buying a German frame 239 in 357 sig if I came across one for a good price.
Did you just say "Hot" and then say "80*"?
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This is indeed a good read. I am looking for a small concealable Sig--especially for the hot, humid Florida summers. Can be somewhat confusing even for some of us dedicated Sig owners. 225, 938, 239, 238, 290? 239 is definitely one I would give strong consideration.
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Old 05-18-2017, 11:23 PM   #130
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Always preferred the German made Sigs. I guess the only exception might be the P239. Well made, reliable, functional. A little more concealable than the P229. An American made pistol that wants to be German.
Get bottom line bean counters out of the way and America could make great Sigs again..
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Did you just say "Hot" and then say "80*"?
Whoa!!! I was in AZ last June, and the last day I was there it was 118 deg. I had my trusty P239 on my hip. That's hot!!!

Where I live it's routinely 100+ deg. in the summer, so 80 deg is cool.
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230 was my preferred carry for years because it fits my grasp perfectly.

I picked up a 239 last week to try; for me the decision was easy- basically an up-sized 230 in an effective caliber, plus the price was too good to pass up.

Place that offered them sold about a dozen at once over a 2-3 day period in varying condition.
Not sure if they were trade-ins or what.
they we're going for $280-$380 so I jumped on this one because it looked to me like it had just sat in a drawer it's whole life.
At $330 I think I did ok. The gun is basically new aside from some very slight scratches.
Not sure if it has even been shot outside the factory, maybe a couple clips. Initial cleaning turned up nothing but dust. Date is right around Jan 2000.
It felt a little top heavy and slippery grip,
But I slapped some houge rubber on there and with a half full/full clip it feels much better and well balanced. An added bonus I realized after purchase is the ease in switching calibers. Since mine is a 40SW looks to me like a barrel and maybe a little micro-fitting is all that's needed.
I ebayed a short width trigger to try and may drop in a SRT kit too- I do have kinda small boy hands, I'll see where I end up after spitting a few hundred rounds.

Can't wait to run it through the paces later today!
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Old 05-19-2017, 05:43 AM   #133
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TLDR; The P239 is a very nice and versatile gun. Compared to the P225 it is just a variant, but one that (as I am sure has been mentioned) has the ability to fit multiple calibers.

That said, I just went through this before choosing to pick up the P227 SAS. For me, and just for me, if I am going to carry a single stack it is going to be in .45. However, even then I will tend to opt for my Sig 357. Which I think is a great round.

I do very badly want a P225, but not as much for carry purposes. Both represent such a minute variance from my P229c that it renderes both a bit moot for carry (again, for me).

I do think the P225 is a baby Legion, but here is where I think Sig needs to consider making a more substantial price point difference. Effectively, if you bide your time there is typically only a very slight price difference between their models (outside the big jumps for the Legion or the RX models). If you buy a SIG, most any SIG, you will end up paying $900.

Now, they are holding to that line because .... we keep buying.

I am not saying that the P239 should be $600. But maybe $750??

I tend to look for really nice used ones now. That P227 SAS I just got, I scored for $750. I think that is pretty good for that gun.
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:25 AM   #134
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Maybe there was a reason for SIG's madness in the design of the P239. For many years there had been a loyal following for the P230 and P232 pistols. Many thought the ideal pistol would keep this design yet be available in modern more powerful cartridges. Problem being the blowback design could not handle the more powerful loadings. It seems to me that the P239 follows the 357 SIG idea. It is a 9mm on steroids. The P239 is the P230/P232 on steroids. They kept the same overall length/size and the rakish trigger guard style but added the wider, heavier slide with guide rod, etc. so it could handle the 9mm, .40 S&W, and 357 SIG. Maybe the design was SIG giving the SIG fans a pistol that they wanted.
I have a different twist on the P239 that explains Sig madness for making the P239...

I believe the that a 'self defense' pistol by definition means inside 7 yards (for some maybe 15 yards), or 21 feet. Or lets just say close. That means you do not shoot someone with a pistol at 30 yards and call it self-defense. Then there are the FBI statistics most of us read that the "average" pistol fight lasts 2.5 ~ 3 seconds and at most 2 to 3 shots are fired and the combatants are ~10 to 21 feet apart. So what came out on top for me was a carry pistol first and home defense pistol second.

So what is the deciding factor in choosing a carry pistol? I think that the important variables in deciding a carry gun for myself was to look at:

1. Does my handgun function reliably under all conditions? This means can I produce reliable results inside 7 yards consistently?
2. How quickly can I produce and fire the handgun? That means shove my fist out holding my handgun toward my opponent and pulling the trigger?
3. Secondarily can I maintain roughly the same position and hit the opponent a second time in the center mass if needed?
4 Defensive ammo over 9mm.


So I tested my handguns and they all proved reliable. Then I tested then to see if they were accurate enough to hit center mass from 7 yard distances. When I tested variables 2 and 3 above I ran into results I had not thought about? My P220 and P226 were tied for being my most consistent shooters (with the P229 a close second). However, with my smaller hands I was able to produce and fire my P239 way quicker than the other three pistols on first and second shots. It was not even close. Then there was all that debate about ammo and stopping power in my mind.

Of the four variables I had to decide which was most important! I must have read 1,000 pages on this topic on the web. My head was spinning until I read a quote that said “...if the perp gets you first what good is your fancy accurate pistol with super ammo...” So the "winner" of the carry pistol contest by a large margin (in my eyes) is me getting my first shot off!!!

So in the end my P239 became my carry pistol. Not because it was more reliable and accurate. But because it gave me the best first strike capability given my physical limitations. All is not lost though I still love my P220 .45 ACP. It is beside my bed for home defense. And who knows maybe a future P320 will win the battle with my P239 as a fast draw in the future...
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230 was my preferred carry for years because it fits my grasp perfectly.

I picked up a 239 last week to try; for me the decision was easy- basically an up-sized 230 in an effective caliber, plus the price was too good to pass up.

Place that offered them sold about a dozen at once over a 2-3 day period in varying condition.
Not sure if they were trade-ins or what.
they we're going for $280-$380 so I jumped on this one because it looked to me like it had just sat in a drawer it's whole life.
At $330 I think I did ok. The gun is basically new aside from some very slight scratches.
Not sure if it has even been shot outside the factory, maybe a couple clips. Initial cleaning turned up nothing but dust. Date is right around Jan 2000.
It felt a little top heavy and slippery grip,
But I slapped some houge rubber on there and with a half full/full clip it feels much better and well balanced. An added bonus I realized after purchase is the ease in switching calibers. Since mine is a 40SW looks to me like a barrel and maybe a little micro-fitting is all that's needed.
I ebayed a short width trigger to try and may drop in a SRT kit too- I do have kinda small boy hands, I'll see where I end up after spitting a few hundred rounds.

Can't wait to run it through the paces later today!
$330 is a steal! Should have bought 2 or 3 for that price!
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