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Old 10-29-2010, 10:58 AM   #1
 
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Recently I just changed the polymer guide rod in my SIG Pro to a stainless steel guide rod and for me it improved my accuracy slightly. I was wondering if anyone had changed their guide rod and also noticed improved accuracy. I know for a fact it reduced recoil some which would account for the improved accuracy. I was just curious about what the other members of SIG Talk had noticed when they changed their guide rod.
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:08 AM   #2
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I've changed mine in my SP2022 but I changed it almost immediately after getting my new gun and didn't shoot it much before I swapped it. I didn't see the improvement with mine that you describe with yours. I did see improvement but I credited the improvement to me getting more used to the gun but it certainly could have been partially due to the SS guide rod.
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I cant really tell in my P226 .40 but it sure looks nice!
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I changed mine in my P226R, but don't really notice much diff other than it looks nice.
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the difference you notice will be in felt recoil and weight distribution of the firearm.
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After reading this topic, it has peaked my curiosity. I'm going to have get me a new guide rod for my 229... I'll let you know the results.
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After reading this topic, it has peaked my curiosity. I'm going to have get me a new guide rod for my 229... I'll let you know the results.
Be sure to check with Jeff at https://www.sigpower.com/ He sold me mine and he's supporting SigTalk.
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I used to put after market stainless steel guide rods in my P220's. In the early 90's there was a company called Hart's and they made a neat guide rod out of stainless that had some kind of hydraulic fluid sealed inside of it that was supposed to help with muzzle lift and re-coil... From what I remember it did a good job.



The idea is that when you fire the gun the backward motion forced the fluid in the rod forward in affect helping keep the muzzle down.



And then I always put full length guide rods in my M1911's. Mostly the ones from Wilson Combat who make really nice stuff.
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I'll check it out. THANKS!!!
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I used to put after market stainless steel guide rods in my P220's. In the early 90's there was a company called Hart's and they made a neat guide rod out of stainless that had some kind of hydraulic fluid sealed inside of it that was supposed to help with muzzle lift and re-coil... From what I remember it did a good job.



The idea is that when you fire the gun the backward motion forced the fluid in the rod forward in affect helping keep the muzzle down.



And then I always put full length guide rods in my M1911's. Mostly the ones from Wilson Combat who make really nice stuff.


If memory serves me correctly, I used to see those Hart guide rods at the Pomona Gun Show, years ago... I almost bought one, but I always found something else to buy with the money I brought.
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How much is the difference of weight between a steel guide rod and the plastic? My guess would be about 1 bullet worth of weight. I can't imagine any significant gain in forward weight on the whole of the pistol. The pistol would have more weight different from the very first shot on a full 15+1 setup and shots at the 5 and 4 left in the magazine.
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Old 12-25-2010, 04:43 AM   #12
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I have them in all my Sigs that they are available for; they add muzzle weight for balance, a slight reduction in muzzle flip/felt recoil, and



look a hell of a lot better than better than black plastic. Of course that's just my opinion.





Prior thread topic: Sprinco Recoil Reducer / Guide Rods FYI
 
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I had a stainless in my P226R, but other than it looked nice I didn't notice any difference when shooting. I took it out because I worry about voiding my warranty. Is that something I should be concerned with ? Or should I not worry & put the stainless back in?
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I wouldn't worry about the warranty. It's just a rod that "guides" the recoil spring during compression and de-compression. As long as you have the original I don't think one could tell any difference after thousands of rounds if you put it back in.



I actually made one from a S.S. bolt. 1/4 -28 thread 4" long. Cost me $1.26 including the tax, at Menards.



This is what it looked like new before I started working on it.



I took it to a friend that has a lathe and had him trim just a little bit off the bolt head, down to the middle, but still leave an indexing raise in the center. That indexing "tit" fits into the bolt as an alignment feature. I then cut the end of the bolt off to match the pistol (SP2022), and polished the end of the cut. The end that has the threads was discarded. Nearly the same size as the original in thickness. Maybe just a few thousandth smaller (0.250" overall rod dimension thickness)







Here is the closer look at the end where the guide rod indexing tip is.







You can see I rounded the edges of the bolt taking out some of the sharp edeges from the pattern of the bolt, then polished it up a bit.



In place in the Sig SP2022. Works just fine.





It does weigh considerable more, about 4x the weight of the original. However, it's just a "guide" for the spring and just keeps the spring from buckling during compression. The original serves that purpose very well, is cheap to make, and being injection molded, can be made up in thousands at the time took to make one in steel, and it keeps the weight down. Personally, I think hollow Stainless or solid Aluminum would be a nice choice as well.
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After reading this topic, it has peaked my curiosity. I'm going to have get me a new guide rod for my 229... I'll let you know the results.


I finally was able to test my P229R with the new guide rod at the range. My groups seemed tighter overall... I don't know if its the guide rod or the fact that my marksmanship could be improving. Either way, its a low cost investment and it certainly looks nicer with that stainless guide rod..
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