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Old 03-18-2017, 07:12 PM   #31
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I suppose this may vary from state to state, but political correctness has invaded good business sense. Police confiscations of firearms as evidence, abandoned property or unclaimed safekeeping must be destroyed where I'm from.

I recently saw a Gettysburg Civil War presentation pistol engraved and presented to a former confederate general from a union general destroyed. The pistol and accouterments all intact. I urged that it be somehow be auctioned or sent to an auction house so that the pistol could be saved and money from its sale benefit the city. No dice.
Welcome to government bureaucrats in the 21st century. IDIOTS! Maybe if it had been a Union weapon it could have been saved. Some people's disdain for history really burns my toast
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:19 PM   #32
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I'm a new guy. What's a red label Sig? I googled it and got nothing.
Here is a example of one on GunBroker for $529 (I'm not promoting this seller, I have never dealt with him but I've seen several of his CPO guns on there for several months)

It is a non railed P229 .40 DA/SA
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:30 PM   #33
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Sorry, sir. I believe you have it backwards. fjgiie is pointing out a DA/SA frame that cannot be converted to DAK. The DAK trigger bar requires a bit of extra clearance on the frame, not all DA/SA frames have this feature machined into them.
!spoO . . . my dyslexic is showing!

thanks.
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Old 03-18-2017, 11:28 PM   #34
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I was an LEO for 30 years and a station range master for about 10. The above comments are pretty accurate. If it's a department weapon, most agencies will do a good job maintaining the guns by bring them in for a full armorer inspection every year. Many agencies maintain maintenance records and will replace critical parts (especially recoil springs) on a regular basis. I've reconditioned many Sigs, Glocks & Remington 870's over the years and like other said above, they show exterior wear from being carried, but have very light wear from being shot. Also, most agencies require their deputies to qualify 3 to 4 times a year, but only 30 to 40 rounds at a time, so if the deputy is only firing the weapon during quals, that's less than 200 rounds a year. Some deputies shoot a lot because it's their hobby, but most are so busy with family, school, overtime, shift work, etc that they just don't have the time. It's a busy life. So, because most agencies conduct regular maintenance and most deputies just don't shoot their duty guns that much, these are good, solid guns. I generally look at the wear on the barrel and feed ramp to indicate if the gun has been shot a lot. Even then, Sigs are engineered to fire 50,000 round so even if there's moderate wear on the gun, it still has plenty of life. For the above reason, I think police trade-in's are a good deal. Good luck.
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When a department transitions to a new weapon they get a maintenance and parts agreement with it.

The department armors are trained to maintain that particular weapon. As said previously, many of the weapons are only

shot twice a year for requalification. It is not impossible to find one with less then two thousand rounds through it.
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Belong to my local Rod and Gun club and the local LEOs don't have a range so they use ours. They use the range free for their qual shoots and only twice a year due to budget constraints (ammo and hours). About a third of the force are members at our club so they have access and I see a few of the guys there. Some of them live in other towns so may have range access outside of their twice a year qual shoots. My guess would be that a three year old LEO firearm would have less than a thousand rounds through them but not sure how often they are cleaned. May not be pristine looking from holster wear but doubt they are abused and I'd buy one no problem at the right price.
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Old 03-19-2017, 06:38 PM   #37
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We carry them in rain, snow, dust etc...
I'm guessing that since your location says "Florida" yours likely hasn't seen much snow.
Ain't that the truth! Plenty of rain, pollen and dirt here though.
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Ain't that the truth! Plenty of rain, pollen and dirt here though.
And face melting heat too. I have family who live close to Panama City and while there is a nice beach breeze usually, when you are anywhere else it feels like the Indiana Jones movie when they open the Arc of the Covenant
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N. Alabama gets hot too but Florida in Ju-Ju-August
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Good deal

Sounds good to me, I have over a dozen LEO trade ins in my safe right now, when I get them, I send them to Sig for the Full Service Package. Haven't had a single issue with any of them. If the finish wear bothers you, there are plenty of places that cerokote. Or you can bead blast the slide if it is stainless, I have done this to a couple of them. Point is they have always worked flawlessly, and I have carried and trusted my life to them.
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What's the wisdom on LEO Tradeins?
I have several. If you're careful what, and from whom, you buy, there are some very good values out there. CPO and LE trade-ins I have are all really clean with one exception.

That one exception was a really filthy P226 357Sig that was a) cheap and b) advertised as "rough". I thought I knew what I was getting. Little did I know I was in for a pleasant surprise.

Once thoroughly disassembled, cleaned up, put back together and a few hundred rounds fired, this is the result. This "archive photo" was taken after several IDPA competition events - it looked less scarred up when I first got it...

http://nm-ccw.com/archive/226-357S-R.JPG
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Love LEO trade-ins. More fun than buying used pick-up trucks! And like a used truck, they already have some dings and wear so they're ready for anything and I don't mind using the **** out of 'em.
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I suppose this may vary from state to state, but political correctness has invaded good business sense. Police confiscations of firearms as evidence, abandoned property or unclaimed safekeeping must be destroyed where I'm from.

I recently saw a Gettysburg Civil War presentation pistol engraved and presented to a former confederate general from a union general destroyed. The pistol and accouterments all intact. I urged that it be somehow be auctioned or sent to an auction house so that the pistol could be saved and money from its sale benefit the city. No dice.
That's really sad about the Civil War Pistol.

We have a state law here in Arizona that confiscations and abandoned or unclaimed must be sold at auction.

I love living in Free America.
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So far i have purchased 4 Former LEO guns, A Beretta 92 9mm from the LAPD, a Beretta 96 .40 S&W converted too 9mm. The slide and frame were completely 2 different shades of blue. I even did a serial number search with Beretta to confirm it. I have had a Rem 870 Police trade in from a Utah Sheriffs Dept and the last one i got was an Illinois State Police trade in S&W M&P 10 .38 spl, I didn't think they had anymore. They were all in excellent condition when i got them. I wouldn't think twice about buying police trade in guns...
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Check the frame rails

That should give you a good indication whether or not you found yourself a jewel

I saw a heap of Beretta 92 trade-ins at a Gunshow last year
They were trade-ins alright, as most had holster rash up the gazoo
but....
a check of the rails and a peek internally showed that most of them, if not all, had seen very little actual use

So...
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I was a Florida LEO for 23 years and was required to go to the range 6 times a year for probably 100 rounds each time, plus department qualification twice a year - that was the minimum. That would be an average of 750 rounds a year that most officers would shoot. Some shoot a lot more, but not most. (I reloaded, so probably shot 2K-3K a year)

Maintenance and cleaning are a bigger issue than any wear-and-tear from shooting - even though officers are 'supposed' to clean their weapons, not all follow regulations...some don't even take their handguns out of the holster unless at the range! However, they are in the minority and most try to take care of their issued handguns.

If I can find a pre-owned LEO handgun I have no qualms about buying it.
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