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Old 04-20-2017, 01:39 PM   #16
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Good time to replace the firing pin spring.
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Old 04-20-2017, 02:39 PM   #17
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Here's the Parts Kit:Sig Sauer P228 9mm Parts Kit

Here's the Firing Pin Spring:Sig Sauer P226 Firing Pin Spring

I know it doesn't say P228, but they are universal between the classic models, per a recent discussion.
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Old 04-20-2017, 04:31 PM   #18
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Maybe this is how the pin was installed right from the factory? I see a lot of newer Sig P series with the FPPP not driven flush on one side of the slide.
This could be a non-issue?
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:14 PM   #19
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This is with the trigger hammer/ engaged if I pull the trigger it will da dry fire


If I tilt the barrel towards the floor and dry fire the hammer will tilt forward beyond the position it is supposed to be in and the trigger remains un engaged even after I release it. I can swing the trigger back and forth freely it will not catch to engage the hammer again

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Old 04-20-2017, 09:23 PM   #20
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Maybe this is how the pin was installed right from the factory? I see a lot of newer Sig P series with the FPPP not driven flush on one side of the slide.
This could be a non-issue?
I am not sure how thick the metal on the slide is but I am pretty sure the pin does not engage with any of the metal on the right hand side of the slide

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Trying to show how much metal is not engage

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Old 04-20-2017, 09:46 PM   #22
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Have a look at Willard's post #13 again. . . . it still sounds like you still don't have the hammer correctly positioned with the reset spring.

Do the quick test Willard suggests, the hammer should rebound under reset spring tension, moving the hammer well back away from firing pin with spring tension - yours will probably flop back and forth a bit when you do that

To install the hammer properly in relation to that little spring, remove mainsprng, hammer pivot, and hammer. Reinsert hammer, this time placing it into the frame so it's pivot hole is forward and below it's normal position. As you bring the hammer back to line up the pivot hole in the hammer with the frame, keep the hammer low in the frame and approximately in its decocked position - - you can feel the hammer get hooked by the reset spring (assuming the reset spring is installed and not bent out of shape).
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I just posted pictures with the hammer from the side when I do that test the hammer flops around so it looks like I will be reassembling that mechanism

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Whoever the "gunsmith" was that replaced the springs apparently didn't know what they were doing. I know a few like that...

If he replaced the firing pin spring, he probably flared the ends of the roll pins while trying to get them back in because the firing pin wasn't positioned right and now the outer pin is too big for the holes in the slide. He probably let the reset spring slip off the hammer strut pin during reassembly too.

It's an easy fix with a new set of roll pins and installing the hammer reset spring back over the hammer strut pin like Willard or Bumper instructed.
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Old 04-21-2017, 03:06 AM   #25
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Based on this description of how the pistol behaves:

"If I tilt the barrel towards the floor and dry fire the hammer will tilt forward beyond the position it is supposed to be in and the trigger remains un engaged even after I release it. I can swing the trigger back and forth freely it will not catch to engage the hammer again"...

And this picture of the rear of the hammer:

P228 HammerReturn Spring.jpg

I do not believe that there is a hammer return spring installed in this pistol. You will have to procure and install one to return this pistol to full functionality. See this post for the steps in removal and installation of the hammer return spring: Classic Line Pistols - How they work in animation

The thickness of the slide wall where the breach block pin mounts is approximately 0.090". I would agree with you that the pin is not engaging much, if any, of the slide on the right side. Again, I think this pin needs to be replaced before the pistol is fired.
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I believe I read you were contemplating using a modern FPPP in your folded steel slide. No, that won't do, please get the correct roll pins, both of them. As ThnkFrst mentioned, the firing pin spring would be good to replace while in there. I'd also take a peek at the condition of the extractor. If, on the off chance the claw is chipped, this would be an opportune time to replace it.

I'm just going to throw a thought out there on the presence, or should I say absence, of the hammer rebound spring. If I am not mistaken, SIG incorporated these into the classic P-series handguns in around 1994. Based on the serial number I am seeing in these pix, I believe the gun we are discussing was built in 1995. Is it possible it left the factory without the hammer rebound spring? I know it has the hammer block installed for the hammer rebound spring, but when it comes to SIG assemblies, I won't rule anything out.
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Malicious Compliance, the "Spur" hammer on the P220, didn't have one, I don't know if there were other models that used that hammer also, or if there were other hammer types that omitted using the reset spring. By his pictures, it looks as you can see the other end of the spring in the gap for it between the hammer stop, and frame. It's "glare" in the photo on the left is apparent, less noticeable in the picture on the right, that was toned down.

I believe the end of the spring is where the pink arrow is pointed!
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I believe the end of the spring is where the pink arrow is pointed!
Agreed, I see it now. Still don't think the spring is functioning properly given how the pistol is behaving.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:24 PM   #29
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I had same issue with a new 229R from 2013. Sent it back to SIG, they replaced the pin. No charge.
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Old 04-24-2017, 08:20 PM   #30
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So you guys think this thing has had a pin hanging half out of it for the last 20 years lol that is pretty amazing that no one thought to fix it the gun was owned by one brother who sold it to the other brother who sold it to me

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