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Old 03-31-2017, 05:16 AM   #1
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P220 With Internal Extractor

I just picked up a Sig Sauer P220 from about 2005 with an internal extractor. The type with the hole on the right side of the slide. All of my other Sigs are short or long external extractors. Is there anything I need to be aware of?
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Old 03-31-2017, 05:45 AM   #3
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The P220 with an internal extractor is a fine weapon. The only concern I have is availability of the extractor. SIG no longer makes them nor do they provide them. With this being a spring, it will tend to wear out, along with the possibility of being damaged. I would suggest you contact Gerry at Total Automation, totalautomation1@gmail.com, and buy a couple of extractors from him. This is the last source I am aware of that provides them. Chances are you won't need it, but, should the day come you do, you will end up with a mighty expensive brick. SIG Talk member DBS put together a group buy here a couple of years ago, several members participated, as did I.

Group Buy: Internal Extractors

Any other part you may need to service this weapon should be readily available.
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I had a CPO P220, made in 2005. Slide was stamped: Made In Germany. Internal extractor. Had no problems.

Called about history of gun. CS rep said it was used on a military base for training. Never was returned for any repairs.

I feel you have nothing to worry about. I feel the SIG slide looks BETTER with the internal extractor. The P228, W. German guns are the same.
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I had a conversation this AM with SIG CS (Aaron) about the internal extractor on the stainless steel P220 slide (don't ask why) and he advised me that SIG still supports that configuration but the slide would have to be returned to them for the work. They do not sell the extractor P/N 34220345.

IIRC, GGI has a version of the internal extractor but the pistol has to be sent to them for modification to accept their extractor.
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I've got 4 of the older Sigs, with the internal extractor, and as Malicious Compliance stated should one of them break, I'd have an expensive "brick". Yes they're springy, and as long as you don't abuse them, they should last for quite some time. If you ask as to what kind of abuse... the primary one that comes to mind is having the extractor "jump" over the rim of a cartridge "in" the chamber already. The design, is that the cartridge's rim slides up from under the hook of the extractor when fed from the magazine, and the hook holding the cartridge rim against the breechface, until the fired cartridge case is withdrawn from the chamber as the slide moves to the rear, and being kicked out of the extractors grasp by the ejector after clearing the barrels chamber. These newer extractor designs allow a little more flexibility than the older internal types, but they can still suffer from the same scenario.
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Thanks everyone for the advice. My slide says "Stainless Steel" made in Exeter, NH. Does that make a difference over the carbon folded slides?

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Thanks everyone for the advice. My slide says "Stainless Steel" made in Exeter, NH. Does that make a difference over the carbon folded slides?
I'm not exactly sure... it may be different, does it look like this:
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Yes, the stainless slide uses a different extractor than the folded steel slide. Here is a picture of my Stainless SAS P220 Compact Gen 1 slide (bottom) and folded P6 slide (top). You can see the entire extractor in the P220 slide vs just a small portion in the P6 slide.

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I have had a Sig P220 since 2007 with the stainless steel slide with the internal extractor. I had read where some had some problems with their extractor and bought a spare extractor just in the event I should experience a problem. I have no idea how many rounds have been fired through this gun but have never experienced a problem of any kind. I do know that Bruce Gray has an improved extractor which requires a slight modification to your slide requiring the pistol be sent to him. Should I ever experience a problem with mine, I would consider sending it to Bruce for improvement even though I have a factory spare extractor on hand. Having used mine for the past 9 years and doing annual qualifications with it, I would not be concerned about the internal extractor and just enjoy shooting it.

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I have had a Sig P220 since 2007 with the stainless steel slide with the internal extractor. I had read where some had some problems with their extractor and bought a spare extractor just in the event I should experience a problem. I have no idea how many rounds have been fired through this gun but have never experienced a problem of any kind. I do know that Bruce Gray has an improved extractor which requires a slight modification to your requiring the pistol be sent to him. Should I ever experience a problem with mine, I would consider sending it to Bruce for improvement even though I have a factory spare extractor on hand. Having used mine for the past 9 years and doing annual qualifications with it, I would not be concerned about the internal extractor and just enjoy shooting it.
Yeah, but instead of making it affordable, he only sells it as part of an "upgrade" package requiring you to send him your slide and he charges $200.00 for it.

You're much better off buying just the extractor if you can find it for a reasonable price.
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Great Pics!

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I'm not exactly sure... it may be different, does it look like this:
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Yes, the stainless slide uses a different extractor than the folded steel slide. Here is a picture of my Stainless SAS P220 Compact Gen 1 slide (bottom) and folded P6 slide (top). You can see the entire extractor in the P220 slide vs just a small portion in the P6 slide.
Very informative. Thanks.
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After I read your first post I was going to ask you if your slide is stainless. As I progressed through the thread, I saw that it is.

There were problems with some of the early stainless slide 220s that had internal extractors. GGI fixed them by producing a custom extractor that was better tuned to the timing of the reciprocating slide. I believe that's why Bruce requires the whole gun to be sent in, and why it is so expensive.

I'm not certain if one of Total Automation's drop-in extractors would work in your stainless slide 220, or if Gerry could manufacture and tune one that would. But he is a very humble and approachable guy, and if you email him he'll be able to advise you whether he can. Reach him at totalautomation1@gmail.com.

These stainless 220s are cool guns, and if yours hasn't been giving you extraction/ejection issues then you obviously don't have one of the problem ones. But as others have said, your gun is a paperweight if the extractor breaks. If you can procure one, it will be worth the effort.
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I've got an ST with the internal extractor. It's a fantastic gun. I wouldn't worry about the extractor.
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I'm not certain if one of Total Automation's drop-in extractors would work in your stainless slide 220, or if Gerry could manufacture and tune one that would. But he is a very humble and approachable guy, and if you email him he'll be able to advise you whether he can. Reach him at totalautomation1@gmail.com.
I just talked to Gerry this morning, and he's a great guy.

He said that his extractors won't work in a stainless slide, just the carbon slides and he doesn't make one that will work in the stainless slide.

So, I have no idea where to get one for the stainless slides, but I'm definitely looking in case I need one later.
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