SIG Talk Gun Forum

Difference between DAK and DAO

This is a discussion on Difference between DAK and DAO within the SIG Sauer Pistols forums, part of the SIG Sauer Forum category; Interesting thread. I just checked the P250 DAO pull weight on the spec sheet on SISauer site and it says it goes 5.5-6.5 lbs. No ...


Go Back   SIG Talk > SIG Sauer Forum > SIG Sauer Pistols

Like Tree1Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-15-2013, 01:55 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Idaho Mountains, USA
Posts: 1,419
Interesting thread.

I just checked the P250 DAO pull weight on the spec sheet on SISauer site and it says it goes 5.5-6.5 lbs.

No wonder I like the P250 so much and I guess I don't have much need to wonder about the DAK if it is the same thing.
Valdemar is offline  
Register

Welcome to the SIG Talk Forum dedicated to SIG Sauer Pistols and SIG Sauer Rifles.

We welcome everyone and the community is free to join so register today and become part of the SIG Talk Forum!

Old 12-15-2013, 04:11 PM   #17
Senior Member
 
Sig Owner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Indiana
Posts: 626
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valdemar View Post
Interesting thread.

I just checked the P250 DAO pull weight on the spec sheet on SISauer site and it says it goes 5.5-6.5 lbs.

No wonder I like the P250 so much and I guess I don't have much need to wonder about the DAK if it is the same thing.
My P290RS tested around 9lbs after around 150 rounds.
Sig Owner is offline  
Old 12-15-2013, 04:51 PM   #18
DBS
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Norfolk, VA
Posts: 1,369
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sig Owner View Post
So, as I read all the replies, it is pretty much the same as a DAO, only it has a short reset in which is a heavier pull if you don't release the trigger all the way on the previous shot.
Almost correct. For most P-series Sigs, the DAO pull is heavier than the DAK pull (maybe the P250 is different?).

Other than that, you've pretty much got it.
DBS is offline  
Old 12-15-2013, 07:05 PM   #19
Supporting Member
Supporting Member
 
dwg13013's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: kansas
Posts: 7,229
Quote:
Originally Posted by DBS View Post
Almost correct. For most P-series Sigs, the DAO pull is heavier than the DAK pull (maybe the P250 is different?).

Other than that, you've pretty much got it.
Check bearone's post again.
The DAO pull on da is 6.5 and the DAK is 8. The DAK is an emergency pull.
dwg13013 is offline  
Old 12-16-2013, 04:37 AM   #20
DBS
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Norfolk, VA
Posts: 1,369
Quote:
Originally Posted by dwg13013 View Post
Check bearone's post again.
The DAO pull on da is 6.5 and the DAK is 8. The DAK is an emergency pull.
See my post above. I have a DAK and know what the pulls are.

I think our confusion may be terminology. When I say DAO, I am talking about the classic DAO system that pre-dated DAK. That system has a pull that is heavier than the pull on the DAK system.
DBS is offline  
Old 12-17-2013, 04:57 AM   #21
Senior Member
 
silversport's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: USA
Posts: 889
DAO (Double Action Only) was SIGs first attempt to make the trigger pull the same and more revolver like when trying to get all the hangers on away from revolvers to pistols...up until then, SIGs were DA/SA (Double Action first shot and Single Action thereafter unless decocked)...

Bill
silversport is offline  
Old 12-17-2013, 05:06 AM   #22
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Northeast
Posts: 457
Quote:
Originally Posted by silversport View Post
DAO (Double Action Only) was SIGs first attempt to make the trigger pull the same and more revolver like when trying to get all the hangers on away from revolvers to pistols...up until then, SIGs were DA/SA (Double Action first shot and Single Action thereafter unless decocked)...

Bill
Actually not correct. The first DAO classics were modifications of DA/SA pistols made at the request of police departments that wanted guns that could not be cocked.
They've never truly been a catalog item they way the DAK is and are typically made at the request of specific PD's. The ones out in the wild are typically trade ins.
P229R is online now  
Old 12-17-2013, 05:08 AM   #23
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Northeast
Posts: 457
Quote:
Originally Posted by DBS View Post
See my post above. I have a DAK and know what the pulls are.

I think our confusion may be terminology. When I say DAO, I am talking about the classic DAO system that pre-dated DAK. That system has a pull that is heavier than the pull on the DAK system.
Not always true. The trigger press weights on a DAK (according to my armorers manual) are 8.5 pounds for the intermediate reset and 6.5 pounds for the full reset.
On the DAO's it's entirely dependent on what the PD ordering the guns specifies. For example, NYPD specifies a nominal 12 pounds, others are at 8.
P229R is online now  
Old 12-17-2013, 07:47 AM   #24
Supporting Member
Supporting Member
 
hodge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Virginia
Posts: 3,570
Quote:
Originally Posted by P229R View Post
Not always true. The trigger press weights on a DAK (according to my armorers manual) are 8.5 pounds for the intermediate reset and 6.5 pounds for the full reset.
On the DAO's it's entirely dependent on what the PD ordering the guns specifies. For example, NYPD specifies a nominal 12 pounds, others are at 8.
12 pounds? Good grief- do they have finger exercises in their training regimin?
hodge is online now  
Old 12-17-2013, 09:14 AM   #25
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Idaho Mountains, USA
Posts: 1,419
Quote:
Originally Posted by hodge View Post
12 pounds? Good grief- do they have finger exercises in their training regimin?
I would be very interested to see the statisitics pertaining to the number of rounds fired per shooting compared to departments where other trigger systems are used. Obviously training and many other variables would come into play, but a DAO w/ a 12-pound trigger pull cannot help.
Valdemar is offline  
Old 12-17-2013, 09:36 AM   #26
Supporting Member
Supporting Member
 
dwg13013's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: kansas
Posts: 7,229
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valdemar View Post
I would be very interested to see the statisitics pertaining to the number of rounds fired per shooting compared to departments where other trigger systems are used. Obviously training and many other variables would come into play, but a DAO w/ a 12-pound trigger pull cannot help.
wasn't there a case in NY City a while back of shooting a guy or at him several dozen times. 36 times maybe. Didn't slow them down at all.

Last edited by dwg13013; 12-17-2013 at 09:51 AM.
dwg13013 is offline  
Old 12-17-2013, 10:15 AM   #27
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Idaho Mountains, USA
Posts: 1,419
Quote:
Originally Posted by dwg13013 View Post
wasn't there a case in NY City a while back of shooting a guy or at him several dozen times. 36 times maybe. Didn't slow them down at all.
Yeah, there have been a number of crazy cases where BG's have absorbed lots of shots.

I wonder how many were clean misses.
Valdemar is offline  
Old 12-17-2013, 11:39 AM   #28
Supporting Member
Supporting Member
 
hodge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Virginia
Posts: 3,570
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valdemar View Post
Yeah, there have been a number of crazy cases where BG's have absorbed lots of shots.

I wonder how many were clean misses.
There have been at least two instances where those clean misses hit innocent bystanders.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...58187178,d.cWc

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...58187178,d.cWc
hodge is online now  
Old 12-17-2013, 11:54 AM   #29
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Idaho Mountains, USA
Posts: 1,419
Quote:
Originally Posted by hodge View Post
There have been at least two instances where those clean misses hit innocent bystanders.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...58187178,d.cWc

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...58187178,d.cWc

A reminder of the infamous attempt by the FBI to grab Dillinger at the Little Bohemia that turned into a shootfest promting Wil Rogers to comment;

"That Dillinger better lookout. One of these days he's going to be standing too close to an innocent bystander and get himself shot!"

hodge likes this.
Valdemar is offline  
Old 12-18-2013, 03:37 AM   #30
Senior Member
 
silversport's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: USA
Posts: 889
Quote:
Originally Posted by P229R View Post
Actually not correct. The first DAO classics were modifications of DA/SA pistols made at the request of police departments that wanted guns that could not be cocked.
They've never truly been a catalog item they way the DAK is and are typically made at the request of specific PD's. The ones out in the wild are typically trade ins.
your recall differs from mine...I do recall DAO for revolvers being because of the cocking the hammer worry of some police departments...I don't recall that with SIG...I also remember SIG making DAO available from the factory...but as an LEO myself, I don't know that they weren't available as a catalog item so I'll defer to your memory on that...

Bill
silversport is offline  
Reply

  SIG Talk > SIG Sauer Forum > SIG Sauer Pistols


Search tags for this page
dak for p290rs
,
dao difference dak trigger
,
difference between double action and dak
,
differences between dao and dak
,
dole action kellerman
,

double action kellerman

,

sig dao kellerman

,

sig p229 dak internal safety

,
what is dak (double action kellerman)?
,
what is the difference between a dao pistol & sa pistol
,
what is the difference between doa dak model sig sauer p226
,
what is the difference between the sig p290 rs restrike trigger and a sig dak trigger?
Click on a term to search for related topics.

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar SIG Talk Discussions
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
E2022 or SP2022 difference? Alphabrace SIG Sauer Pistols 28 03-25-2014 09:58 AM
Difference between a X-5 and a X-5 Competition... Jordanl SIG Sauer Pistols 28 08-15-2013 02:08 PM
Difference Between The SP and P Sights aceooooooooo SIG Sauer Pistols 8 03-21-2013 07:42 PM
What is the difference....... JohnnyP SIG Sauer Pistols 12 03-11-2013 04:36 PM
2022 grips - can't tell the difference Ruark SIG Sauer Pistols 0 02-21-2012 12:34 PM


Top Gun Sites Top Sites List

Powered by vBulletin 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
Copyright © 2010 - 2014 SIG Talk. All rights reserved.
SIG Talk is a SIG Sauer Firearms enthusiast's forum, but it is in no way affiliated with, nor does it represent SIG Sauer, Inc. of Exeter, NH.