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Old 04-17-2017, 06:29 PM   #31
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The P226 is a great service weapon. I don't recommend it for carry. I carry the P series platform in the P227 and M11-A1 with total confidence. If not, I wouldn't be carrying them. But I also like carrying the SIG Compact Nickel 1911 and know it can do battle if necessary. If you can chew gum and walk at the same time you can learn both platforms.
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The P226 is a great service weapon. I don't recommend it for carry. I carry the P series platform in the P227 and M11-A1 with total confidence. If not, I wouldn't be carrying them. But I also like carrying the SIG Compact Nickel 1911 and know it can do battle if necessary. If you can chew gum and walk at the same time you can learn both platforms.
Why you like p227, but not the p226?

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If you can chew gum and walk at the same time you can learn both platforms.
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That you can't find one worth keeping.
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That you can't find one worth keeping.
had a S&W 1911PD as well as a Springfield Armory Lightweight operator, both 5'', more picky on ammo than I would trust, IMO there are better options out there for a 45.

might try to pick up a war era 1911 one day, i think that would be the cats meow
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Care to explain the bolded? No other gun design has been carried as much, as long, is as battle proven and worked as well as the 1911. I think over 100 years is pretty much a decent amount of time for it to have proven itself?
When you read what I'm about to say, keep in mind that I'm a fellow 1911forum.com member, and have been since 2004, and that I proudly own a Caspian built 100% for me from the SA Custom shop, and have owned plenty of 1911's over the years...

I'm with Catman and Bumper on this. The 1911 is a dream to shoot, and for me falls firmly in the range toy category of my arsenal. Other platforms have far surpassed it in terms of both reliability, capacity, weight, and value. It is certainly possible to get a highly accurate, reliable 1911...pistols like the Les Baer prove it. But the odds are not in your favor compared to other weapon designs. A number of years ago I started a thread on 1911forum asking about out of the box reliability. You could easily find it with a google search. The thread lasted for years and had literally hundreds of 1911 enthusiasts adding personal data to it...these are people who collect and love the 1911, not a bunch of haters... The simple fact is that in general, 1911's are not even close to being as reliable as the majority of modern pistols.

When you said, "gun design", I can only hope you meant pistol. The M16, AK47, and a slew of other weapons are far more battle proven than the 1911. Pistols in war are seldom fired. And even if you specifically meant pistols, I'd argue that JMB's other, less famous, success story has a far more distinguished combat record than the 1911. The amount of 1911 uses in actual gunfights in war would be a tiny fraction of one percent compared to the M16, AK, M1, Lee Enfield, Mauser, Mosin, etc. Wars are not fought with pistols, even long-lived ones.

My comments are sure to rile the 1911 zealots, but so be it. A dose of reality is often needed bring things back into perspective. Some folks love the 1911 and would dream of carrying nothing else. I say more power to them...there is no need to justify their position to anyone, although they often try very hard to do just that.
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Yes I meant 'pistol'. And yes I'm now addicted to 1911s. Carried a Sig .229 .40 for almost 15yrs. Glocks before that. And way back an original Delta Elite. Full circle I'm now back to a 1911.
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[QUOTE=disseminator;2249170]Why you like p227, but not the p226?

Should've been more specific. I like carrying the P227 SAS Gen 2 Carry. I love the P226, but not for concealed carry.
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I could argue hipoint>1911.
No. You couldn't. Not and have any credibility. Just food for thought.
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That you can't find one worth keeping.
No, what was silly to the point of absurd is that anyone would state they could argue that a "hipoint>1911". THAT is just silly.
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When you read what I'm about to say, keep in mind that I'm a fellow 1911forum.com member, and have been since 2004, and that I proudly own a Caspian built 100% for me from the SA Custom shop, and have owned plenty of 1911's over the years...

I'm with Catman and Bumper on this. The 1911 is a dream to shoot, and for me falls firmly in the range toy category of my arsenal. Other platforms have far surpassed it in terms of both reliability, capacity, weight, and value. It is certainly possible to get a highly accurate, reliable 1911...pistols like the Les Baer prove it. But the odds are not in your favor compared to other weapon designs. A number of years ago I started a thread on 1911forum asking about out of the box reliability. You could easily find it with a google search. The thread lasted for years and had literally hundreds of 1911 enthusiasts adding personal data to it...these are people who collect and love the 1911, not a bunch of haters... The simple fact is that in general, 1911's are not even close to being as reliable as the majority of modern pistols.

When you said, "gun design", I can only hope you meant pistol. The M16, AK47, and a slew of other weapons are far more battle proven than the 1911. Pistols in war are seldom fired. And even if you specifically meant pistols, I'd argue that JMB's other, less famous, success story has a far more distinguished combat record than the 1911. The amount of 1911 uses in actual gunfights in war would be a tiny fraction of one percent compared to the M16, AK, M1, Lee Enfield, Mauser, Mosin, etc. Wars are not fought with pistols, even long-lived ones.

My comments are sure to rile the 1911 zealots, but so be it. A dose of reality is often needed bring things back into perspective. Some folks love the 1911 and would dream of carrying nothing else. I say more power to them...there is no need to justify their position to anyone, although they often try very hard to do just that.
I could not agree more with this! The notion that "No other gun design has been carried as much, as long, is as battle proven and worked as well as the 1911. I think over 100 years is pretty much a decent amount of time for it to have proven itself" is pure legend and lore. Many who had to use the 1911 hated it. They complained about it for years. Yes, it is the most cloned pistol ever, but it is no more reliable than any other quality modern pistol, and in many cases, not as reliable. They're not practical carry guns. Sure, many carry them swearing they'd never carry anything else, which is fine...to each their own, but to state no other gun design has been carried as much, as long or is as battle proven is simply myopic at best, if not completely biased.

The truth is the guns have been inherently unreliable over the years. Yeah, I know there's always someone who will defend the gun with their life, but there are always more who will tell you that they've had problems with their vaunted 1911s. Of course, 1911 enthusiast will fight you to the death over the fact that a malfunction of their 1911 is simply a glitch or easily worked out with a twist of a tinker rod of some type, but the fact is they're finicky, and any gun that one has to buy and immediately make all sorts of changes to it before it's "just right" is not a gun I want to carry. I've never had a problem with one myself, except one.
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My comments are sure to rile the 1911 zealots, but so be it. A dose of reality is often needed bring things back into perspective. Some folks love the 1911 and would dream of carrying nothing else. I say more power to them...there is no need to justify their position to anyone, although they often try very hard to do just that.
Rable rable Rable.......Walker, Texas Ranger carries a 1911, if it's good enough for the Rangers and Chuck Norris, it's good enough for you.
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Rable rable Rable.......Walker, Texas Ranger carries a 1911, if it's good enough for the Rangers and Chuck Norris, it's good enough for you.
The last time I checked, and according to the internet movie database, Walker carried a Taurus PT92.
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