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Old 04-20-2017, 04:26 PM   #31
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Before you pounce, I suggest also looking at the P229. Not a lot bigger than the 239 and double stack. I have big hands, so even with CT grips it feels better than the P239 . . . though this is quite subjective.
...or the M11-A1... That's an impressive handgun too.
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Old 04-20-2017, 07:15 PM   #32
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The p239 .357 Sig is in a whole other class, no offense. It is probably the best there is at what it does ever, and I'm talking compact single stacks.

I do carry a p238 on occasion, but I prefer a j-frame or lcr for the pocket. I also prefer a larger pistol for iwb carry. A compromise for me would be something like a LC9 or Kahr.
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The 239 stacks shots on top of each other, if you want. The 938 kinda sprays them, which you may want.
If a "P938 kinda sprays them, . . ." the described inaccuracy is the fault of the shooter rather than the gun. TheSigArmorer had a video on youtube with a P938 hitting a gong at 140 yards (missed first shot, hit second). Gun was not stock, had trigger job. Not sure why video got taken down.

I'm more accurate with my P229 DA/SA 40 than my P938 (both have 3 lb SA triggers and action jobs). Probably more to do with my old eyes and the shorter sight radius of the smaller gun, not any inherent flaw with the P938.
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Those are different guns... You have to decide what is more important to you. The 938 is a fine small gun, but as others have stated, it may not be what you'd want if you can tolerate the extra 10 ounces and size of the 239. 357 versus 9mm is also a consideration. I carry a 938...it works for me because I don't want the extra size and weight living here in Florida. Definitely a personal decision in my opinion. I carry the 938 every day. Not sure if I would carry the 239 as regularly.
I agree with this. I prefer my P938 because it is small, I can conceal it easily no matter what season it is and because I shoot it really well. Yes, I could choose to carry my SIG P226 or Colt Combat Commander but for me, they aren't practical choices for concealed carry. Both are too big, too heavy and too much trouble to dress around. If I was forced to pack either of these they would end up spending more time at home in the safe than on me.

Do your research and choose what is best for you and not what some internet gunfighters say is best.
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If a "P938 kinda sprays them, . . ." the described inaccuracy is the fault of the shooter rather than the gun. TheSigArmorer had a video on youtube with a P938 hitting a gong at 140 yards (missed first shot, hit second). Gun was not stock, had trigger job. Not sure why video got taken down.

I'm more accurate with my P229 DA/SA 40 than my P938 (both have 3 lb SA triggers and action jobs). Probably more to do with my old eyes and the shorter sight radius of the smaller gun, not any inherent flaw with the P938.
I think it also has something to do with the fact that smaller guns are just harder to hit with than larger guns, and the P229 is an extremely easy gun to shoot. The P938 may be an accurate little gun for what it is, but I doubt anyone is going to be as accurate with any gun that size as they would be with a gun the size of the P229.
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I think it also has something to do with the fact that smaller guns are just harder to hit with than larger guns, and the P229 is an extremely easy gun to shoot. The P938 may be an accurate little gun for what it is, but I doubt anyone is going to be as accurate with a any gun that size as they would be with a gun the size of the P229.
I agree inasmuch as the accuracy vs size thing is "scaleable". By that I mean take a pistol vs a rifle w/ both open sights, the difference in accuracy at distance will be dramatic due to ergonomics, sight radius, weight etc. At pistol distances, it will still be there but won't so significantly affect efficacy.

So, I'm sort of agreeing with you. A P938 is harder to shoot well than a P229, but, with a bit of practice, much of that as related to grip, and the P938 is astonishingly accurate for it's size. It's 8 rounds of 9mm in the palm of your hand and in a gun you'll have to touch once in awhile just to be sure you are still wearing it.

I put up with the P229's weight and size most of the time. Frankly, as I feel mentally more comfortable with it as a more capable firearm - and it is that, mine is flippin' perfect! The P938 is for when the P229 won't fit in.
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I agree inasmuch as the accuracy vs size thing is "scaleable". By that I mean take a pistol vs a rifle w/ both open sights, the difference in accuracy at distance will be dramatic due to ergonomics, sight radius, weight etc. At pistol distances, it will still be there but won't so significantly affect efficacy.
Yeah, it's just a simple matter of physics. I had a Shield 9mm, with which I am very accurate; however, at longer distances I shoot my Glock 19 more accurately. Why? The gun is larger, I can get a better grip on it, and it absorbs the recoil slightly better. It's really a no brainer.

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So, I'm sort of agreeing with you.
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A P938 is harder to shoot well than a P229, but, with a bit of practice, much of that as related to grip, and the P938 is astonishingly accurate for it's size. It's 8 rounds of 9mm in the palm of your hand and in a gun you'll have to touch once in awhile just to be sure you are still wearing it.
Distance plays a huge role as well. I can shoot a Shield 9mm just as accurately as a Glock 19 at 3 to 5 yards, but the further out I go, the groups begin to wane with the Shield, where as with the Glock 19 I am still able to get pretty tight groups out to 15, sometimes even 25 yards on a good day. It's all relative to the size of the gun and distance shooting.

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I put up with the P229's weight and size most of the time. Frankly, as I feel mentally more comfortable with it as a more capable firearm - and it is that, mine is flippin' perfect! The P938 is for when the P229 won't fit in.
One of the reason I still carry a Glock 19, instead of say a P229 or a Shield, is b/c it is the perfect in btwn size for just about everything I need. Yes, the Shield, like the P938 for you, had to be gut checked just to make sure it was still there, but frankly, I can't conceal it any better than the Glock in most circumstances. I carried a Legion P229 for about three months, and although it really isn't much larger than the Glock 19 (marginally larger) I just felt out of sorts with it. Part of that I attribute to the fact that I had to carry it in a different holster than what I carry the Glock in, which made it ride a little higher than I wanted it to, but truth is I'm Glock-stitutionalized.

I know you think my opinion of the P938 is "fallacious," but there is more to it (my opinion) than what you seem to realize, but at the end of the day it's really not all that deep with me. Tomato, tomato...to each his own. Hope you're well, my friend!
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If a "P938 kinda sprays them, . . ." the described inaccuracy is the fault of the shooter rather than the gun. Gun was not stock, had trigger job. Not sure why video got taken down.

I'm more accurate with my P229 DA/SA 40 than my P938 (both have 3 lb SA triggers and action jobs). Probably more to do with my old eyes and the shorter sight radius of the smaller gun, not any inherent flaw with the P938.
It could be the shooter (me!) But every other one of my Sig pistols (9 in total) allows me to stack em! Most of the time. Normal shooting distance is usually 30 ft.
My BIL's 938 is my third exposure to that model. I have shot an average of maybe 50 rd form each. Taking my time, trying as much as I could, I couldn't get usable (respectable?) groups. All of them were shot at 30' or so. Maybe that is asking a bit much from such a small pistol? All three of them also had something north of a 7 lb trigger pull. Terrible for a gun that small. Not enough material to hold, against the needed force to pull the trigger.
I used to say that I may have just been unlucky to run into two terrible triggers on 938's (and one 238 too). But now it's three straight for me. I really tried to shoot it well. I expected that I would. I didn't.
My 239 Scorpion is my most accurate Sig. Surprising to me even. It bests any of my 4 P220's (one is really a BDA 9mm) and my Legion 226 SAO or my P229 SAS. But just barely!

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One of my Sig pistols is a P232. Another small-ish gun. I shoot that almost as well as the other P series guns...about 85% as well. But still, way better than the 938.
Also, that Glock patch I have as my avatar, I shot that 500 over two targets. 20 rd and 30 rd targets. My "A" target had 20 rounds in 2 1/2" in the X ring (using a Glock 34) at distances from 15' to 50', both strong and weak hand shooting. I don't think that the "sprayed" group from the 938's were all me.

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