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Old 05-16-2017, 04:35 PM   #1
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Educate me on non rail older Sigs

I prefer the non rail Sigs. 225/P6 226 and 229's. So, when did they not have rails?
And were they all German?
And what is the serial numbers tell me, 2 serials vs 3 serials.
And one last thing. When did they go from 9mm to 40/357Sig on any of these non rail models?
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Old 05-16-2017, 06:03 PM   #2
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I'm not sure about exact dates, but the p229 came out in the early 90s in .40 and .357 Sig. Late 90s early 2000s they started moving to the non-railed, stainless slide p226s and p220s until at least 2005 when the p228 and p225 went away and the railed models started to become more standard after that (late 2000s I think). Frames made in Germany until mid-late 2000s I believe. Triple serial number, aka made and assembled in Germany guns, technically ended around '97, except with certain guns.
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To answer all your questions is going to take a lot of typing.
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Some SIGs are still available without rails. The P229, in both the M11A1 and SAS version come without a rail...same for the P220 and P227. Up until this year the P226 was available in three non-rail versions, the Tribal, Tribal Two-Tone, and Engraved. There were also Legacy versions of the P226 and P229 with no rails available under the IOP list. So far in 2017
I have been unable to locate a current IOP list, to see if those no-rail models are still available. I also don't see the three commercial versions listed on SIGs website this year. If you are adamant about getting a P226 with no rail, and want a new gun, you might want to grab up a Tribal model in case they have discontinued it. You can always refinish the slide if you don't like the markings.
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Gunbroker is a handy tool for perusing gun models, despite this not answering any of your questions you most likely could just find one you like there...
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Another non-rail P226 option is the Classic Carry, which is a Talo special. There are a couple on Gun Broker for what I consider a reasonable price.

Manufacturer: SIG SAUER
Model Series: P226 Classic Carry
MFG P/N: SIE269CC

Searching for the term "Classic Carry" will turn up a lot of options.
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Thanks everyone.. I would sell my 226 for a non rail 226, if it looked aesthetically pleasing and wasnt beat up..
I just think non rails look a little better..
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I just think non rails look a little better.
A lot of folks would agree with you.
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I prefer the non rail Sigs. 225/P6 226 and 229's. So, when did they not have rails?
None of the original Sigs had rails on them mainly b/c when they were produced most guns didn't have rails on them. In fact, I don't think any did as it just wasn't conceptual at that time. Over the last several years, as rails have become increasingly popular, Sig, like all the others, started producing guns with rails, but like it's been said, they still produce guns without rails today simply b/c a lot of people like it.

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And were they all German?
In the beginning, yes, they were all German made; however, not so anymore. Newer versions of Sigs made without rails for the US market are made in the US.

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And what is the serial numbers tell me, 2 serials vs 3 serials.
This is going to be something an old Sigger is going to have to explain, but you can do some searching on the www if you want to dig into it. I did a few years back when I bought an old W. German model P226.

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And one last thing. When did they go from 9mm to 40/357Sig on any of these non rail models?
I believe it was somewhere around the mid 1990s or so (I may be mistaken) when Sig started producing the P229 to supplement and eventually replace the P228. The P229 was the first production handgun introduced that could chamber the .357 SIG round, and it was made with milled stainless steel slides, rather than the stamped carbon steel slides the original Sigs were made with, to accommodate the higher pressure rounds of the .357 Sig and .40 S&W. Sig developed the .357 Sig to carve a niche out in the evolving world of handgun cartridges after the 1986 Miami shootout resulted in the development of the 10mm and .40 S&W. It took a little while for it to catch on, but I think the .357 Sig is becoming as popular, if not more so, as the .40 today. Anyway, those first P229s were not produced with rails either as rails still were not prevalent on handguns in the mid 90s.
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Love them myself.

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Love them myself.

Beautiful works of art.. thanks for sharing.
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Love them myself.

Change the 226 for a 239 and we both have same guns/taste.
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Ask yourself "do I need a rail?"
Most people never use it...it's like buying all the bells and whistles on a new car, only to find you paid for options and never used them, but because the salesman convinced you it was 'wise' to get them ("they will be a great re-sale value") you wasted your money.

Of my 6 Sigs, NONE have rails and I'm happy with all of them.

Buy what you need - if you need it, buy it. Otherwise, forget it.

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I bought my no rail, P226 new in 2004.


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I prefer the non rail Sigs. 225/P6 226 and 229's. So, when did they not have rails?
Rail guns came out in around 2004 or 2005. I have P229s from 04/05 and 06 that do not have rails, and a P226 from 05 that does have rails.

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And were they all German?
I believe that once the rail models were introduced, some parts were being produced in the US (slides, barrels, and small parts). Up until at least 09/10 frames were still mainly being made in Germany, although production has since moved to the US.

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And what is the serial numbers tell me, 2 serials vs 3 serials.
The serial numbers used to be stamped into the slide and/or barrel in addition to the frame. A 2 serial number gun has the serial number on the barrel and frame, while a 3 serial number has it on the slide as well. I have 2 P229 .357s from 1994 (AD 29XXX and AD 37XXX) that I found NIB, and they are both 2 serial number guns.

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And one last thing. When did they go from 9mm to 40/357Sig on any of these non rail models?
The .40 and .357 cartridges were developed in the early 90s by Smith and Wesson and SIG respectively (not sure of the exact years they were introduced). The P229 with its solid stainless slide was introduced to handle these higher pressure cartridges, and continued in its non-railed format for about a decade. The P226 in 9mm and P228 continued to be produced with folded carbon slides and internal extractors until the late 90s or early 2000s, when they also started to be manufactured with one piece stainless slides and the short external extractor.

Because of the increasing popularity of the 9mm cartridge (and with it, the decrease in popularity of the .40), combined with the longer production periods of the P229 in .40 vs. the P229 in 9mm, it is very easy to find great deals on non-rail .40/.357 P229s, while non-rail P229s in 9mm, and non-rail, one-piece slide P226s in 9mm are much harder to find, and command higher prices.

As others have said, non-rail guns are still available in current production--the TALO P229 Classic Carry is a great option for someone looking for a non-rail gun with a legacy slide.

I do very much like my 4 non-rail guns, both for their sleek appearance and the quality of their builds. That being said, for me the difference is slight, and I have 3 railed P226s (05 and 2 07s) that are equal in quality, fit, and finish, and the rail doesn't bother me.
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