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Old 01-17-2014, 04:07 PM   #16
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Sig sent me a 229-1 without made in Italy stamp when I redeemed my magazine voucher. Right away I sold it. Bought a few from TGS when they were in stock. All I bought from them has stamping made in Italy. Very easy to load 15 rds even new from packaging
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Old 01-17-2014, 04:22 PM   #17
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Mickey - thanks for the reply. Who, what, where is 'TGS'?

Well folks, there you have it.

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Old 01-20-2014, 12:37 PM   #19
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TGS P229-1 Mag for recent M11-A1

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Is this the mag you purchased from TGS: Sig Sauer P229-1 E2 9mm 15RD magazine - Top Gun Supply

From their website: "SIG SAUER P229 E2 15 round magazine for 9mm E2 P229 models. These magazines will not fit P228's or P229 9mm's that typically use 9mm 13RD magazines. The E2 and some of the recent P229 9mm models use a .40S&W frame which has a larger diameter magazine well. Matte phosphate finish."

Due to above quote, I am wondering if all 6 of my mags are REALLY 13 round mags and NOT 15 round mags??????????????????????

On the other hand, the packaging label of the 2 vouched mags they sent me says: MAG-229-9-15-E2; MAGAZINE 229-1 15 RD.

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Old 01-20-2014, 12:50 PM   #20
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There's a trick to loading the Checkmate 229-1 mags (and SigPro mags) to 15 with a uplula.
You have to release the uplula feed ramp while you press the round into the feedlips. It also helps if you slightly tilt the uplula as you release it.
Once you learn the trick it's easy.
I'll try to post a picture of my technique later.

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Old 01-20-2014, 03:19 PM   #21
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Is this the mag you purchased from TGS: Sig Sauer P229-1 E2 9mm 15RD magazine - Top Gun Supply

From their website: "SIG SAUER P229 E2 15 round magazine for 9mm E2 P229 models. These magazines will not fit P228's or P229 9mm's that typically use 9mm 13RD magazines. The E2 and some of the recent P229 9mm models use a .40S&W frame which has a larger diameter magazine well. Matte phosphate finish."

Due to above quote, I am wondering if all 6 of my mags are REALLY 13 round mags and NOT 15 round mags??????????????????????

On the other hand, the packaging label of the 2 vouched mags they sent me says: MAG-229-9-15-E2; MAGAZINE 229-1 15 RD.

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The SIG 13rd P228/P229 mags that the website is referring to look nothing like the P229-1 mags. The sides go straight down and do not widen out like the P229-1s do, and so their bases are narrower, which is why they only have a 13rd capacity.

As an aside, Mec-Gar does get 15rds from the same 13rd mag body by using a different follower, and maybe a different spring.

German-made (Mec-Gar made would have plain back) 13rd P228/P229 mag on left, 15rd P229-1 mag in middle, and 10rd .40/.357 P229 mag on right.

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Old 01-20-2014, 03:30 PM   #22
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I just picked up my Sig M11-A1. It comes with P229-1 Mags. It is a bear to get them fully loaded with 15 rounds but I was able to get it done.

As suggested already, I would put all you can in and then try to top them up in a few days.
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I just picked up my Sig M11-A1. It comes with P229-1 Mags. It is a bear to get them fully loaded with 15 rounds but I was able to get it done.



As suggested already, I would put all you can in and then try to top them up in a few days.

Do they have the "Made in Italy" stamp.
Went to a LGS today and saw a P229 Elite Stainless . Thought about putting it on layaway but when I look at the magazines, it's a 229-1 without the Mecgar "made in Italy" on it. It only says Sig Sauer. I guess it's checkmate.
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Yes, they are stamped Made In Italy.
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Old 01-21-2014, 10:24 AM   #25
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Thanks all for your replies.
@JodyH- I tried what you suggested. I can barely get the head of the 15th round barely into the lips, but beyond that no joy.

@wgsigs - yes may mags look just like the one in your middle image, but without the 'Made in Italy'.

@gderf - well I can't come close to getting the 15th in. But you do have a 'made in Italy' stamp.
Based on my measurments, I really believe the mag follower is too long and/or the mags are ever so slightly too narrow, so letting the mags sit for a few days w/ 14 rds doesn't seem reasonable.

I just remembered this: It's been about 2 weeks since my wife and I went target shooting. Her magazines have 14 rounds in for 2 weeks now, and I can't get the 15th round in them either.

Kind Regrds to all; thenks for your inputs.

I am trying to get in contact with the SigSauer Customer Service rep I talked to last week and see what he can do.
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I just picked up a NIB M11-A1 with two 15 round "Made In Italy" mags that do hold 15 rounds. The gun was supposed to ship with 3 mags, but I got two and a voucher for one mag I mailed in.

I wonder what Sig will send me, another one like I have, or one like you have that won't hold 15 rounds. Not a big swinger here for me, I only carry one spare on me anyway. The third mag will just sit in the case the gun came in.
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@gderf:
Please do me a favor. Disassemble one of your made in Italy mags and please measure the free length of the spring and also count the number of coils.
Measure the total length of the back of the follower, from the top to the bottom of the rear 'tab'.
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@Garyjeff:


Total length of the back of the follower, from the top to the bottom of the rear 'tab' = 1 1/16 inches.

Free length of spring measured at its center line = 6 inches.

Number of coils = 11
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measurements

@gderf - thanks.
SigSauer cust serv says if I send back the mags, their gunsmith will look at them and replace if necessary. Frankly I'm no longer sure it's worth all the effort.

My measurements pretty much agree with yours, although, I count 12 coils (see photo).

Thanks for all your inputs, but I've come to realize I think I've reached the point of diminishing returns.

Kind Regards to all, Gary
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Same spring, we just count differently. I'm stumped, what else could be different?
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