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Old 01-25-2014, 07:56 AM   #31
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One thing remaining are the various widths of the mag near the top where the taper starts, midway width along the narrower part of the mag and the width of the fat part of the mag. Yours maybe slightly wider which would allow for more staggering of the rounds compared to my mags. I think we are only talking about a 0.020 to 0.030 inch difference or so. Since I can't find my vernier caliper I can't accurately measure the width of the mag well past the small taper inside the well, nor can I measure the widths of the mag at the various points along the mag.

I appreciate your inputs, but like I said, I think I've reached the point of diminishing returns. Between my wife and I, if we can't defend ourselves with 84 rnds, I don't think not having another 6 is problematic.

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Old 01-25-2014, 08:11 AM   #32
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Edit:

I missed your in your original post the statement about the follower extending beyond the mag body when 15 rounds are loaded. That is your problem, just grind the tab so it ends up flush or slightly below. On mine it is flush with the end of the mag body.

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I know that this is not your problem, as you have already checked, but for others reading, I have had this problem in the past and sure enough, I had brand new factory magazines with the springs installed backwards. I have a lot of SIG's and a lot of magazines. The lesson I learned is to disassemble every new magazine, clean it, and make sure that it goes back together properly.
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Old 01-27-2014, 05:11 PM   #34
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I purchased my first new hand gun about 3 weeks ago, an M11-A1. I could barely get the 14th in, much less the 15th round. After 457 rounds through I am now able to load the magazines to 15!

I know this may already be worked out but I just wanted to let others know sometimes it just takes a while.

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Hit the gym bro! Get some muscle in your thumbs! Haha, I'm just kidding. Hopefully those mags loosen up for you. They could be a bit stiff at first. Best of luck man.
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I would rather send them to SIG and have them replace them if they aren't built right or have the wrong follower. I'd be concerned about the possibility that they still wouldn't function correctly after modding it, and then SIG probably won't be inclined to help you with them at all.

I suppose you could try messing with just one of them and see if it you can get them to hold 15 and feed correctly.
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Old 02-08-2014, 12:46 PM   #37
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@Mickey, et al - on the TGS website, I am having difficulty finding the P229-1 15 rd mag by Mecgar (made in Italy) that you are referring to. Please advise. Please post a link.

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@Mickey, et al - on the TGS website, I am having difficulty finding the P229-1 15 rd mag by Mecgar (made in Italy) that you are referring to. Please advise. Please post a link.



Regards, Gary

It's still there but out of stock. It doesn't say where it's made. That's what I ordered and glad that the ones they shipped was made in Italy. When it becomes available, call them and they should be able to tell you if it's made in Italy or No stamping
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Old 02-08-2014, 01:14 PM   #39
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Have a M11A1 DESERT made in November 18th 2013 came with three 15 round magazines never had any problems loading all 15 rounds in any of them
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Old 02-08-2014, 03:14 PM   #40
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@Mickey - Please show me the item number you are refering to.

All - I gave my six P 229-1 mags from "Exeter, New Hampshire, an ISO 9001 2008 Certified Company" to my local gunsmith, along with my Uplula mag loader and my hks loader, I asked "why can't I load the 15th round?"

He said the mag follower bottoms out to the spring plate. This is due to the lack of demsional control between the opposing indentations on the sides of the mags which, in my case, results is less staggering of the rounds.

He showed me how to modify the bottoms of the mag follower. He said he had already done this for other customers with no feeding issues because the fix is not related to the spring, nor the upper part of the follower, nor the lips of the mag.
He showed how to do this on one of the mags, and he didn't charge me anything.

PROCEDURE:
Using a bench belt sander or grinding wheel, remove 0.250 inches from the bottom of the rear of the follower. Remove 0.1875 from the from bottom of the front of the follower. Dress / re-intoduce the bevel with a suitable flat file or grinder.

Using the edge of a flat file, make a small notch midway into the rear of the follower to provide relief to the rear of the spring plate where the spring is retained.

He admits he has not examined "made in Italy" mags.

The FIT (failure in ten thousand) to load all 15 rds in US vs made in Italy mags is not known.

He was a senior mechanical engineer with NASA. Gunsmithing is his hobby. He suggests that interferrence analysis using SolidWorks or the like was not performed. There is no good reason why you can't load all 15 rds the first time, every time. That one has to 'break in a mag' is bogus, but on the other hand, if it works for you, so be it.

He also notes the Uplula has a signifcant design issue in that it minimizes the clearance in the mag lip area, while the HKS does not.

If it works for you, fine. Ya know, 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it.'

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Can't load 15 rounds in P229-1 Mags

I don't have the boxes anymore
Here is a pic of 2 diff 229-1 magazines.
The right one is made in Italy. I have 6 of the made in Italy and not a single problem. My only US magazine can only take 14 rds.
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That suggested amount of removal from the follower is excessive for the Italian mags. But removing that much might not hurt anything either.

I have compared my Italian mag follower's relationship with the mag body to the pictures of the OP. His follower extends slightly beyond the mag body with 15 rounds loaded which would prevent the floorplate from being installed. My follower is flush with the end of the mag body with 15 rounds loaded.

That small amount of extension shown in the OP's photo would be just enough to prevent being able to load 15 rounds in my mags.
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@gderf - Thanks. I suspect the origin of manufacture is the issue.

@Mickey - in your reply (#38) you state the item (the one you have previously obtained) is out of stock.

OK, fine, please go to TGS and please tell me what the item number is that you claim is/was out of stock so that I might, in the future, be able to obtain same.

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Can't load 15 rounds in P229-1 Mags

#1200394. Sometimes even TGS wouldn't know if Sig will send them Sig (USA) or Mecgar (Italy) magazines. You're lucky if they send you Mecgars. Looked at two 229 Elites today (Stainless and a Dark Elite) and both comes with magazines Made in USA. Italian made magazines seems getting harder to acquire.

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I see there are a lot of weak tumbs here. LOL. but really I don't see where it is so hard to load 15 rounds I finger load all my mags and yes they are stiff but not as hard as some are stating maybe your follower wasn't trimed to spec at bottom. Also all sig mags are made by meg gar in Italy currently.
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