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Old 05-17-2017, 03:59 PM   #16
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P.S. This thread should have been in the News sub-forum.

SIGTalk mods are getting lax on keeping the content in the appropriate sections.

Before long, we'll be having a huge thread about Glocks in a SIG Pistols sub-forum. We don't want to be like that site.
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Before long, we'll be having a huge thread about Glocks in a SIG Pistols sub-forum.
Hey, GBIA...

I've started loading 200 grain bullets over 8 grains of Hodgdon Longshot for my awesome Glock 40 with an RMR and Bar - Sto barrel!



This Glock be like, awesome!
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I would be interested to know what ammo the NJSP is using in the SIGs for qualification.
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Hey, GBIA...

I've started loading 200 grain bullets over 8 grains of Hodgdon Longshot for my awesome Glock 40 with an RMR and Bar - Sto barrel!



This Glock be like, awesome!
I don't care who you ask, that was funny!
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I believe it. My p229 stainless elite 9mm with long extractor doesn't like wwb 115 gr ammo. I've had several failures to extract with them.
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Bad PR

I have a feeling that stories like this one will be happening on a more frequent basis.
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I believe it. My p229 stainless elite 9mm with long extractor doesn't like wwb 115 gr ammo. I've had several failures to extract with them.
Shame on you for feeding ANY gun WWB. Crimes against humanity!

On a more serious note, that article is interesting indeed. I'm not saying I don't believe it, but if there were issues with the P229, we'd have known it by now. With so many agencies using them and with the pistol being seemingly the most popular SIG in private ownership, if 5 out of every 25 guns was a lemon, we'd have heard about it years ago. I know people complain about SIG QC dropping the larger contracts they get. While there is probably some truth to that, 5 out of 25 would simply not go unnoticed. And only one agency seems to be having issues. I've never had an issue with any of my long extractor pistols, and I can tell you they are easier to work on than the short extractor slide. But the article goes on to say even the Legacy slides were having issues. Just plain odd. What I don't find odd is that the malfunctions decreased when they switched from training ammo to duty ammo. Way to many problems get blamed on guns when c r a p ammo is used.
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I believe it. My p229 stainless elite 9mm with long extractor doesn't like wwb 115 gr ammo. I've had several failures to extract with them.
All of My 9MM Pistols regardless of Model or Brand seem to prefer the 124gr NATO.
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Shame on you for feeding ANY gun WWB. Crimes against humanity!

On a more serious note, that article is interesting indeed. I'm not saying I don't believe it, but if there were issues with the P229, we'd have known it by now. With so many agencies using them and with the pistol being seemingly the most popular SIG in private ownership, if 5 out of every 25 guns was a lemon, we'd have heard about it years ago. I know people complain about SIG QC dropping the larger contracts they get. While there is probably some truth to that, 5 out of 25 would simply not go unnoticed. And only one agency seems to be having issues. I've never had an issue with any of my long extractor pistols, and I can tell you they are easier to work on than the short extractor slide. But the article goes on to say even the Legacy slides were having issues. Just plain odd. What I don't find odd is that the malfunctions decreased when they switched from training ammo to duty ammo. Way to many problems get blamed on guns when c r a p ammo is used.
Roger THAT! If the NJSP had gotten P938's I might not be surprised. But P229's, even long extractor models? That's not been my experience nor that of the majority of folks around ST I would guess.

Somethings up here.
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I have never been a fan of the long extractors but when I picked up a used M11A1 I had it fail to extract repeatedly until I switched ammunition then it was smooth sailing. I still prefer the Legacy extractor system as its easier to work on, have less parts, and no extra tools are required other than the standard armorer tool.

I wonder what the ammunition was that they were using? I never trusted a police organization that had their dress uniform look like that of a Storm Trooper from Germany LOL
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My 1994 229-40 has run tens of thousands of rounds without a single hiccup.

However, a BNIB M11-A1 that I bought last year had a string of FTE's after 1,000 rounds. Trip to SIG, extractor spring replaced, 1,000 rounds without incident.
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If what they claim in the suit - and considering Sig representatives were physically part of the testing and inspection I have no reason to believe otherwise - Sig needs to step up to the plate and get their act together. They lost this suit before it was even filed.

I can confirm some of the P229s do have the FTE issue as I've seen it personally with a couple of student guns. Back to Sig and fixed in their cases. Time frame of manufacturer is the same.

Sig quality has been taking hits for some time and has been slow to respond. Very disappointing for a Sig supporter.
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Funny, but I use WWB almost all the time in 9mm and never have issues. P229s...P226s...no problems ever.

That's all my wife shoots in her P320 Compact 9mm and has never experienced a single problem.
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No doubt provided to them for virtually nothing. Glock is maybe a little but hurt over the ARMY contract me thinks.
LOL...so let me get THIS straight. The State of New Jersey has problems with Sig (but not really b/c a lot of the government agencies still use Sigs) and dumped them to go with Glock b/c Glock gave them the guns b/c they're "butt hurt" over losing the Army deal? So does that mean Sig got butt hurt and gave their guns away back in the 1980s when they lost the DoD contract to Beretta? Do you want to talk about ridiculous?
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Several years ago a local PD had an issue with Ford over one of their LEOs being killed when his cruiser was struck from behind. As I was told (by a LEO in the dept) the car burst into flames, and the cop burned do death. The agency ended up suing Ford, and, as a result, dropped the Crown Vic to go all Tahoe. Now, according to some of the logic here, this is total **** b/c a lot of other LEAs still use the Ford Crown Vic, so Chevy, being butthurt over the fact that these LEAs no longer buy Impalas for duty use, gave this LEA all their Tahoes for virtually nothing! I have to laugh sometimes over some of the stuff said. As it has been pointed out, Sig has taken a pretty significant hit over the years on quality. A lot of LEAs have gone away from Sigs for other models such as the Glock. A lot of LEAs have also gone from Glocks to Sig, but that doesn't mean either of these companies are butthurt over losing contracts to the Army. Good grief!

In the 80s, when the Army went with Beretta, Sig protested just like Glock has here, but they still got lots of other contracts, and guess what guys...they didn't go out of business b/c they didn't get the Army contract. In fact, they got special forces contracts with the DoD, not to mention other foreign deals as well. Just the same, Glock has DoD contracts in place, not to mention numerous other foreign contracts with militaries and police agencies. Anyone who thinks Glock is dying or obsolete, or that they give their guns away b/c they didn't get the Army contract is daft.

Now, as it relates to this particular article, this kind of thing happens ALL THE TIME. It is nothing new, guys. It is unfortunate for Sig, but at the end of the day they really don't care. It's just the cost of doing business. They, like Glock, know that you're not going to please everyone all the time. Both Sig and Glock are going to be just fine. This really isn't even a drop in the bucket.
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