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Old 02-05-2014, 07:25 PM   #16
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Slam fire, firing pin stuck so when the slide closed it fired before it was fully chambered?
Total Speculation, but it's happened before and is unfortunately common with some rifle designs if you're not careful.
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:25 PM   #17
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If there was a .40sw round in there it would not close as to the bullets direction who knows it's hard to figure out second hand with out pictures ect.
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:30 PM   #18
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I'll try and get and get pics as soon as I can but so far thanks guys for all the input.
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:35 PM   #19
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i doubt it was an out of battery detonation, im willing to bet the round was way overcharged
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:43 PM   #20
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That's around the lines of what I was thinking. I find it hard to believe that it would have been a malfunction by the firearm.
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Bullet setback,,,,
Bet he had chambered that round before or the ammo should be checked for correct OAL.
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Setback is a very good possibility. 357Sig is more prone to that then some others. Could have been as it was made. Others in the box can be measured for it.

If it was out of battery fire you would know it because the blast would have been around the entire chamber opening.
It blew out the mag because it all went that way.

Talk to a Sig supervisor and keep at it, because they go into automatic cover your butt mode. The fault likely lies with Speer, and you need allies. Approach Sig in that manner. Ask for advise on bad charges.
Lawyers are needed at times like this.
I would file a claim with Speer and get full agreement to have an armorer open up the rest of the box and inspect each load in your presence.
It is not just the damaged gun. This could have caused serious injury, and must be figured out with that in mind. He could have lost his hand only the gun was made with an exit plan for this purpose. Sounds like the Sig did exactly what it was designed to do.
It was asked before. The barrel must be inspected for a bullet still in the barrel.
The target should have been or needs to be inspected for holes to match the number of shots. If a private range can the range be inspected for bullets that did not reach the backstop.
The first thought would be a double charge. It is also possible to have a light load allowing the primer flash to go over the powder and cause a bomb type explosion instead of normal detonation.

For safety you two need to fully figure out what happened. Local gunsmiths or public range officers should be around to talk to. Maybe ISPSA members in the area.
Take it all a step at a time and document everything.
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Setback is a very good possibility. 357Sig is more prone to that then some others. Could have been as it was made. Others in the box can be measured for it.

If it was out of battery fire you would know it because the blast would have been around the entire chamber opening.
It blew out the mag because it all went that way.

Talk to a Sig supervisor and keep at it, because they go into automatic cover your butt mode. The fault likely lies with Speer, and you need allies. Approach Sig in that manner. Ask for advise on bad charges.
Lawyers are needed at times like this.
I would file a claim with Speer and get full agreement to have an armorer open up the rest of the box and inspect each load in your presence.
It is not just the damaged gun. This could have caused serious injury, and must be figured out with that in mind. He could have lost his hand only the gun was made with an exit plan for this purpose. Sounds like the Sig did exactly what it was designed to do.
It was asked before. The barrel must be inspected for a bullet still in the barrel.
The target should have been or needs to be inspected for holes to match the number of shots. If a private range can the range be inspected for bullets that did not reach the backstop.
The first thought would be a double charge. It is also possible to have a light load allowing the primer flash to go over the powder and cause a bomb type explosion instead of normal detonation.

For safety you two need to fully figure out what happened. Local gunsmiths or public range officers should be around to talk to. Maybe ISPSA members in the area.
Take it all a step at a time and document everything.
Excellent advice, the only possible pistol malfunction I can think of is that the firing pin may have been stuck forward of the breech face due to a dirty channel and a defective firing pin spring, which caused the pistol to discharge while out of battery.

That's certainly a stretch which is why I believe the kaboom was due to out of spec, overcharged, ammunition or perhaps a squib preceding the failure.

A squib round in the barrel would likely have resulted in a bulged barrel and the inability to fully manipulate the slide, as well as the damage reported by the OP.

I'm no expert though.

Please let us know the outcome.
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Old 02-06-2014, 09:26 AM   #24
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Who knows what caused it, or whose fault it was, but I do know this: no way I would feel comfortable restoring that gun and then firing it again.
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Hmmmm.

Speaking in generalities, it probably was a double charge, maybe setback, or possibly a squib. It probably wasn't the pistol.

It would be nice if SIG would examine it though.

Kabooms make for interesting internet discussion. Like some of the FiveseveN drama from a few years back. In any event, people on the internet probably aren't going to have great diagnostic accuracy third hand.
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i have a friend that said his son inlaws glock was jammed and wouldnt open. i used the bench to force it open a empty case was in the chamber no bullet in the barrel the barrel was bulged thats why it wouldnt open they were useing factory ammo
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if it was a squib load you would think the barrel would be bulged
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if it was a squib load you would think the barrel would be bulged
I've never had a squib, but my understanding was that they usually do not damage the barrel.
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I've never had a squib, but my understanding was that they usually do not damage the barrel.
they do if u fire another round and there is the squib round stuck in the barrel
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I've never had a squib, but my understanding was that they usually do not damage the barrel.
If it is just a squib, then by itself it might not, as long as you remove it without damaging the barrel in doing so.

Firing one after you have the squib or any obstruction can damage it.

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