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Old 04-18-2012, 07:52 AM   #1
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P239: Trigger Job & GunSmithing Questions

Hello all. I am new to this forum and Sigs.

I just acquired a used (1 year old) Sig Sauer P239 Gen 2 SA (.40) pistol.

It is in fair condition (owner never cleaned or lubed it) and all factory parts.

I am interested in the following Gun Smithing services and would appreciate any advice as to which company to use for these "upgrades".

1. Trigger Job

I would like to have a "trigger job" done to reduce the trigger pull in DA mode.

I have looked at what GrayGuns and TJ's offers and I am a little confused and overwhelmed by their offerings (and their prices).

The end result is that I would like to have the factory parts that need polished to be polished and the parts that need to be replace to be replaced.

GrayGuns seems to only offer this service with regard to P239's:
Action Cleanup Perfection $250

Our factory-reset package will perfect your pistol for duty and carry use with the absolute best results in mind. Our gunsmiths detail, fit and polish every bearing surface to yield the smoothest DA and SA pulls available. The DA pull weight is optimized for carry and law enforcement duty applications while retaining 100% reliability with defensive-grade ammunition, and the SA pull is set at approx 4-4.5lb.
TJ's web site is too confusing for me to read, let alone make sense of all the options.

What factory parts are recommended to be replaced (trigger, springs, guide rod, etc.) and which service should I choose from which company to perform these services?

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Old 04-18-2012, 08:31 AM   #2
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Have you checked the Sig website? They offer several different services for most all their weapons. Plus you know that they are the best ones to handle your baby!!
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I agree. SIG offers the same service for $179:

Custom Shop Services

Gray guns prices are out of line and seem to take advantage of the clientele who are willing/able to pay outrageous prices for services.

SIG's Custom Shop prices are even less than Smith and Wesson's Performance Center for similar services.

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Old 04-19-2012, 02:48 AM   #4
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Gerry is a real pro when it comes to working on Sigs. He's done "action jobs" on 6 of my Sig pistols. You'll get a much smoother and lighter trigger pull. He just returned my Sig 239 & 220, Before his work the trigger pulls were 12+ DA and 7+ SA. Now they are about DA:8 Ibs & Sa: 4lbs. He'll also reduce the trigger return and several other items all for a bit over $200.00. Best of all his retrn times are 2 to 3 weeks. Give gerry a call. He's a super nice guy.
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Which services would you recommend from Gerry based on what I am trying to accomplish?

Sig Trigger Efficiency Packages

1) Quick-Trigger Reset TM (QTR) and SA Take-up Reduction Hammer Modification. This modification allows quicker next-shot reset of the trigger leaving the firing pin safety block intact and essentially eliminates trigger take-up after reset in SA. When you go to pick up the trigger for the follow-up shot, it is "right there" with very little additional travel to engage the hammer and sear. The Sig SRT can compromise the firing pin safety block, defeating an important factory-installed safety mechanism. This package is recommended for both Concealed Carry and Competition. (Hammer modification and a new replacement Safety Lever: $75.00 plus round-trip shipping of the pistol.)

2) Smooth-Operator TM: Fit and Polish of all trigger components for a masterfully smooth trigger. This package is recommended for both Concealed Carry and Competition. ($150.00 plus round-trip shipping of the pistol.)
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I agree. SIG offers the same service for $179:

Custom Shop Services

Gray guns prices are out of line and seem to take advantage of the clientele who are willing/able to pay outrageous prices for services.

SIG's Custom Shop prices are even less than Smith and Wesson's Performance Center for similar services.

I too would recommend the Sig Custom Shop... and if I'm not mistaken, if they do it, the warranty is not voided.
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My 229 has a srt and trigger enhancement job from SIG. It is like soft butter and fast.That being said I would settle for just the SRT.Almost as lite as the enhanced which is a bit lite for carry in my opinion. Thank heaven for the decocker.
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If you want the best trigger pull with reduced trigger slack get Gerry's (Total Automations) packages #1,2,4. It will cost about $250.00 and take Gerry 2 to 3 weeks. He just did the above work for me on a Sig 239 which he completed in 2 weeks. DA: approx 8 Lbs, SA: 4 Lb. For more questions call or e-mail Gerry. He's a super patient fellow who makes sure you understand everything he's doing.
By the way, if you happen to live in Indiana we can get together and fire my pistols.
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If you want the best trigger pull with reduced trigger slack get Gerry's (Total Automations) packages #1,2,4. It will cost about $250.00 and take Gerry 2 to 3 weeks. He just did the above work for me on a Sig 239 which he completed in 2 weeks. DA: approx 8 Lbs, SA: 4 Lb. For more questions call or e-mail Gerry. He's a super patient fellow who makes sure you understand everything he's doing.
By the way, if you happen to live in Indiana we can get together and fire my pistols.
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I have contacted Gerry and asked what he recommended.

This was his response:

Sounds like you may want the Level II package (QTR w/ hammer mod, plus the Smooth Operator).

Also, on the P239, the High-Torque Trigger will give about a 10%-to-12% DA pull reduction using the standard mainspring, because it is a mechanical leverage change.

I usually put the SA pull between 3-1/2 and 4-1/2 lbs.

I don't go below that, unless it is strictly a range / competition pistol.

If your pistol has the short-reach trigger, I can install a standard trigger.

With our proprietary hammer pivot pin, we eliminate almost all of the DA pretravel, which basically puts the face of the trigger where the short-reach trigger normally starts.

I don't normally let a pistol leave my shop with a plastic guide rod in it.

To summarize:
1) Level II package - $215
2) HTT, if wanted - $65, when done with other work
3) Steel guide rod - NC, when done with other work (normally $25, hardened and tempered tool steel, no SS)
4) New Standard Trigger - $35
5) DA pre-travel reducing hammer pivot pin - NC when done with other work (normally $35 fit-up charge)
Turnaround time is 3 weeks or slightly less.


Which options do you recommend?
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Crashproof,

I'd go with exactly what Gerry recommended. Two of them are NO CHARGE.
#1...Level 2 package. Very important
#2...HTT. again definetly what I would want
#3... yes and NO CHARGE
#4...My fingers are a bit long and I can get a better angle of pull by having him install the old type trigger but if you have real short fingers leave in the short trigger.
#5...Get it...NO CHARGE.
You'll never regret having Gerry do all of the above. Tell him Bill from Indiana sent you.
Don't know if I told you but Gerry has done the above work on my Sig 239, 228, 226. 220 full size, 220 carry, and 220 compact. All I need now is to find a 225 in good shape.
Enjoy your 239...it's a great pistol.
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I agree. SIG offers the same service for $179:

Custom Shop Services

Gray guns prices are out of line and seem to take advantage of the clientele who are willing/able to pay outrageous prices for services.

SIG's Custom Shop prices are even less than Smith and Wesson's Performance Center for similar services.
I don't like to get in discussions that involve services that I offer when things are being compared unless someone is asking me.

But I will say, Bruce's trigger jobs ARE NOT anything along the lines of what is slopped at the factory.

Bruce's does quality work. Your paying for his knowledge, his reputation , as well as the actual work.

Bruce and Gerry both do nice work. To compare what the factory does at a cheap price to what they are offering is like comparing a chevette to a corvette. They both start with C and end with E, but in between is totally different.

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