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Old 08-31-2014, 08:53 AM   #46
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If you can do this then carry it. If you can't, go back to the range and keep practicing.
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Huge difference between doing this at a range and doing this while under the stress of a confrontational situation.
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All handguns are relatively poor "stoppers" regardless of caliber or bullet used. Shot placement and sufficient penetration are paramount, all else is secondary.
If limited to 10rds I'd carry whichever caliber I was fastest & most accurate with.
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Huge difference between doing this at a range and doing this while under the stress of a confrontational situation.
Why do you think I said "If you can do this then carry it. If you can't, go back to the range and keep practicing". If you can't hit where you aim, hit the target center mass, and make a good group, you need more practice.
That's why people who carry need train a lot, and practice under different conditions. The more you train and focus on shooting skills, the better you will react under stress situations.
"Train as you fight, Fight as you train."
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Why do you think I said "If you can do this then carry it. If you can't, go back to the range and keep practicing". If you can't hit where you aim, hit the target center mass, and make a good group, you need more practice.
That's why people who carry need train a lot, and practice under different conditions. The more you train and focus on shooting skills, the better you will react under stress situations.
"Train as you fight, Fight as you train."
I agree completely, training is key. My point is, shooting holes into a stationary target at your typical range at 10yds is not going to train you for a confrontational situation. That is how many define training.
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I agree completely, training is key. My point is, shooting holes into a stationary target at your typical range at 10yds is not going to train you for a confrontational situation. That is how many define training.
Life and self control train how to deal with a confrontational situation. They train you on how to recognize confrontations and to avoid them.
Drawing your weapon changes the confrontation into an armed encounter, and at that point you better know what you're doing. Even if that firearms training and practice is punching paper, it's better then nothing. Not everyone has access to multi-million dollar training ranges that have moving and reactive targets. It all starts with the basics.
By the way the definition of training is practicing skills until they become second nature.
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With limited capacity, I'd also go to the larger caliber and carry a spare mag.

A big advantage of a 15+1 9mm is that you don't need a clip to carry the same amount.
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I carry and shoot a lot of 9mm, but when I was loading up mags to go to the range today after ignoring my 45 for awhile I noticed something.



I couldn't help but think that the 45 would probably make a bigger leak if it didn't expand at all than the 9mm would make with full expansion.
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Old 09-14-2014, 05:33 PM   #53
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With hollow points it's true but he 9mm terminal ballistics with secondary wound channel is pretty impressive. Many today say the 9 is optimum with good ballistics and better control.
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Life and self control train how to deal with a confrontational situation. They train you on how to recognize confrontations and to avoid them.
Drawing your weapon changes the confrontation into an armed encounter, and at that point you better know what you're doing. Even if that firearms training and practice is punching paper, it's better then nothing. Not everyone has access to multi-million dollar training ranges that have moving and reactive targets. It all starts with the basics.
By the way the definition of training is practicing skills until they become second nature.
I agree but you don't need multi million dollar ranges to induce s stresser into your practice I have seen plenty of guys busting holes in paper at 10 yards and being pretty damn good at it me included but until you insert some stressers into you practice you at wasting rounds somthing as simple as increasing your heart rate can throw of your accuracy. I have been shooting for 30 years on the job and compeditivly there is a big difference in shooting a defencess piece of paper totally relaxed and doing the same thing in a match or even worse a defensive armed confrontation. Just because you can jack a round at 10 yards into a 2 inch circle in a stress less situation does not mean you can do the same thing in under 1.5 seconds from holster to target in a confrontation that dosent even take into account a shoot no shoot situation. I have shown guys at the range that just a simple wager of who can out shoot who in a timed atmosphere will make a difference in some ones accuracy.
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Connecticut here. Also restricted to 10 rounds. Also no AR15s and AKs of any types as well as a long list of others. Going to choose a Sig P250 as my next in 45acp agreeing with CA Patriot.
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Are we still talking about this?

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Some agencies are switching to 9 mm for one reason only - cost, and are trying to come up with a technical justification.

Interesting that our armed forces are going exactly the opposite direction.
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Ill go with my P 220 .45. But i would not hesitate to grab my 9mm if it was closest.
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I always laugh at this debate. My answer is all of the above. I like shooting my .45 because it makes a Big Bang but it would be a bad day if you got shot by any of them.
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