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Old 11-20-2014, 10:13 PM   #1
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Are our pistols zeroed-in at 15 yards from the factory?

Saw this on the Sig FAQ and I'd just like to confirm:

My SIG SAUER pistol is not accurate. Why? What should I do?

All SIG SAUER production duty/combat pistols are set up to use a "combat" sight picture. This is where the front sight completely covers the bulls eye of the target. Using a six o'clock ("pumpkin on a post") or center mass ("half'n'half") sight picture will result in low impact. SIG SAUER, Inc sights in all non-sporting and non-target pistols for 2.5 inch groupings @ 15 yards. If you are still having trouble please contact Customer Service for further help and instruction. Please have your serial number ready. There are also very helpful free Internet sites that cover pistol group analysis.
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ehhhh I doubt it. I would like to see someone shoot consistent 2 and half inch groups at 15 yards with a P938
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no, most are only test fired.

all german, with test targets are fired at 25m.
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Saw this on the Sig FAQ and I'd just like to confirm:

My SIG SAUER pistol is not accurate. Why? What should I do?

All SIG SAUER production duty/combat pistols are set up to use a "combat" sight picture. This is where the front sight completely covers the bulls eye of the target. Using a six o'clock ("pumpkin on a post") or center mass ("half'n'half") sight picture will result in low impact. SIG SAUER, Inc sights in all non-sporting and non-target pistols for 2.5 inch groupings @ 15 yards. If you are still having trouble please contact Customer Service for further help and instruction. Please have your serial number ready. There are also very helpful free Internet sites that cover pistol group analysis.

Nothing against you but the first thing I would do is allow someone else to shoot it, and by someone I mean someone you know is an above average shot.
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Nothing against you but the first thing I would do is allow someone else to shoot it, and by someone I mean someone you know is an above average shot.
What are you talking about?

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Not to be pedantic, but I believe most quality firearms, by their very nature, should be capable of a fairly tight group and why the Sig FAQ quote seems a little lame. Whether POA/POI are the same, of course, is another matter.

If the question is whether Sig verifies that POA/POI are the same at 15 yards, I highly doubt it.

If the question is should a Sig be capable of a 2.5" grouping at 15 yards, then yes it absolutely should be able to. If it can't off the bench with a shooter that normally pulls those groups, then there could be something wrong. And it would have nothing to do with the sights.
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What are you talking about?

We're all sub - MOA Warriors here.
Well you know some people (I'm not pointing any fingers by no means) get offended when they think you are questioning their shooting ability.
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Saw this on the Sig FAQ and I'd just like to confirm:

My SIG SAUER pistol is not accurate. Why? What should I do?

All SIG SAUER production duty/combat pistols are set up to use a "combat" sight picture. This is where the front sight completely covers the bulls eye of the target. Using a six o'clock ("pumpkin on a post") or center mass ("half'n'half") sight picture will result in low impact. SIG SAUER, Inc sights in all non-sporting and non-target pistols for 2.5 inch groupings @ 15 yards. If you are still having trouble please contact Customer Service for further help and instruction. Please have your serial number ready. There are also very helpful free Internet sites that cover pistol group analysis.
This statement should be in a prominent space in the manual. That goes for ALL manufacturers.

Every time I try a gun I haven't shot before, I have to figure out which sight picture to use. So many people on different forums are also confused. I even see folks giving the advice "It's simple POI = POA".

To go further; for 40 years, nobody was confused. Every pistol, revolver, or rifle on the market used the same sight picture. Set the target on top of the front sight.

I'll not argue which is best, but at least then it was all the same way.
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Are our pistols zeroed-in at 15 yards from the factory?

Well all I can say and listed in another post is that my brand new P320C was way off the the left and I corrected 2 times pushing rear to the right and now that baby is on at 15 and 25 yards!!!



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To go further; for 40 years, nobody was confused. Every pistol, revolver, or rifle on the market used the same sight picture. Set the target on top of the front sight.
Youbetcha! I competed a lot back east in NRA 3 caliber matches, rifle and trap shooting. Of course, trap shooting WAS different. Swing on the target, cover the target and slap the trigger!

Came to AZ to retire and didn't touch a gun for 25 years, Now back with SD as my aim and boy has the aim changed! Bring back the pumpkin on a stick!
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Nothing against you but the first thing I would do is allow someone else to shoot it, and by someone I mean someone you know is an above average shot.
I don't know anyone like this. Not because I'm an awesome shot (or even average at this point), but because I'm still relatively new. I've heard of a guy at one of my local ranges who's apparently among the best. I may go pay him a visit.

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Not to be pedantic, but I believe most quality firearms, by their very nature, should be capable of a fairly tight group and why the Sig FAQ quote seems a little lame. Whether POA/POI are the same, of course, is another matter.

If the question is whether Sig verifies that POA/POI are the same at 15 yards, I highly doubt it.

If the question is should a Sig be capable of a 2.5" grouping at 15 yards, then yes it absolutely should be able to. If it can't off the bench with a shooter that normally pulls those groups, then there could be something wrong. And it would have nothing to do with the sights.
So it's the distinction between precision vs. accuracy. It sounds like the Sig FAQ = the pistol is "precise" from the factory within 2.5" @ 15 yards, but that doesn't certify that the POA = POI at a given range. And I agree that it's lame - sounds like corporate lawyer BS.

So what have you guys experienced with your Sigs? Have you had to adjust the sights from the factory? Or do you just learn to "compensate" with a given pistol? Or are Sigs usually accurate and precise out of the box? I typically practice at 5 - 7 yards with my P226. I've found that I can frequently (but not consistently) hit the bullseye within 2" when I get off a good shot... seems good to me?


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I'd agree with that. It should be "precise" when you get it, and hopefully it'll be accurate.

I have to compensate mine, but will be correcting that over the weekend. If you're the "not accurate/precise" picture, you probably need to drift your sights.
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Reading your posts, and the same posts are asked often. There is nothing wrong with asking.

I myself have had other shooters fire guns of mine, and in turn have been asked to do the same for others. That should be the first step before starting to adjust sights.

Trigger control, That is the biggest and in my opinion largest factor related to hitting what you intent to hit.

Range time, and dry fire exercises are your best friend.
I have never met anyone at A range that turned away from someone with A question.
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I would say there is a little variance.

At 15 yards, most of mine have a target picture around "half and half" to get POA = POI.

I would be interested to hear what others have found at 15 yards.
Cover the bullseye?
Half and half?
Six o'clock?
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I don't know anyone like this. Not because I'm an awesome shot (or even average at this point), but because I'm still relatively new. I've heard of a guy at one of my local ranges who's apparently among the best. I may go pay him a visit.
By no means do they have to be the best, just a good shot.


If you are relatively new to shooting, I would do several things.

First I would make sure you are using your dominant eye. There is a simple hand test you can do to ensure that when you aim you are using your dominant eye. Most of the time it is obvious and is usually the eye that corresponds to which hand you use but not always. If not I would double check and make sure.

Second, more so than worrying about being being on target initially, I would reduce the footprint of my grouping to what you are happy with. If 2.5 inches is what you want then I would concentrate on that until I achieved it. I would start by deciding on a sight picture the worked well for me and that handgun. By that I mean how much of the front sight is visible through the rear one. As someone said ideally you want what you are hitting to "rest" on top of the front sight. Most times this can be achieved by adjusting and formulating a sight picture.

Just my dos centavos.
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