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Old 10-12-2010, 03:57 PM   #1
 
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Hello,



I havn't been able to find much detailed information about the SRT option.



I am looking into getting a SIG P220 .45 Auto, and I would like to know what the SRT is all about.



1) What is the mechanical function of the SRT?



2) What are the up's and down's of the SRT?



3) Why do people get the SRT? Compared to DAK.



4) Why not to get the SRT?



Thanks in advance!
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I don't have any hands on experience with the SRT trigger, however I did find another person's opinion online:



"Got the opportunity to demo one of the new Sig 226 Elite's with the SRT (short return trigger) last night. Amazing.... absouletly amazing.



At first glance, its your normal double/single, although it has all the fixings of a high end sig, Nitron, night sights, wolf springs, Sauer Hammer Forged Barrel blah blah. First shot is double, but when you squeeze the trigger all the way to the rear, the reset point is just a few millimeters, and then you have a 3lb. trigger for fast follow ups. Unreal! You could pay over $600 for that kind of trigger on a 1911.... and here is one on a double single!"



Sounds like a great setup. I don't know anything about that kind of thing with my old school P228.
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Hello,



I havn't been able to find much detailed information about the SRT option.



I am looking into getting a SIG P220 .45 Auto, and I would like to know what the SRT is all about.



1) What is the mechanical function of the SRT?



2) What are the up's and down's of the SRT?



3) Why do people get the SRT? Compared to DAK.



4) Why not to get the SRT?



Thanks in advance!




Let me break this down for you as "newbie" as I can, as I don't know your firearms knowledge, training, or expertise levels. So please bear with me.



Obviously you know what SRT stands for Short Reset Trigger. SIG developed the SRT system to shorten the reset of handguns they make increasing accuracy, follow up shot times, and consistency.



So how does it work, it simply shortens the rest of the trigger, if you are curious you can do the following.



To see what your current pistols reset is as long as its not a 1911 pistol thats of high quality do the following:



1. Clear the gun, make sure there is no round in the camber, or a magazine in the gun.

2. Operate your slide to allow the gun to dry fire.

3. Pull the trigger and HOLD the trigger to the rear.

4. While holding the trigger to the rear, recock the gun.

5. after the gun as been recocked slowly release the trigger until you hear a click and the trigger "thrust" forward.



When the firearm clicks and the trigger "thrusts" forward that is the point of trigger reset on your firearm, the point of reset is wear the trigger can be immediately pulled again.



So based on where your reset is can effect many things, like groupings and how fast and accurately you can make a follow up shot(s). The farther your trigger has to go forward the more "play" you will have in hand position, point of impact, and overall operation.



With an SRT trigger the reset is what i can consider about 60% shorter than a standard firearm. If you own a high quality 1911 the reset is very close to or the same as your 1911, as 1911's usually come standard with a shorter reset trigger. And while most SIG platforms are based around a 1911 style frame/grip it mimics the use of a 1911.



To answer a few of your other questions: there is no down side to an SRT system, the less reset, and the faster you adapt to the trigger the faster you will have more consistent groups and follow up shots. The DAK trigger is a double action only pistol that is used by a few groups of the Government, while other groups use Sigs with SRT systems, its all based on what that agency whats there employees to carry.



A DAK trigger is no comparison to a SRT setup.



The only reason to stay away from a SRT is if you don't want to relearn shooting with this style, meaning you grew up on revolvers, mostly own and shoot revolvers.



I 100% recommend an SRT trigger system. But sometimes you have to experience it to understand. Do know you can add the SRT trigger to any DA/SA trigger system SIG for $80 in parts do it yourself or I think SIG charges 95-105$ to do the work including parts, but there turn around time is 3-4 weeks right now.



Good luck and happy shooting.
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That helped me so much, thank you Jim!



Do you think the SIG P220 COMBAT SRT is a good first handgun?



For the price, the quality seems worth it. Any suggestions?



Thanks again!



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Hello,



I havn't been able to find much detailed information about the SRT option.



I am looking into getting a SIG P220 .45 Auto, and I would like to know what the SRT is all about.



1) What is the mechanical function of the SRT?



2) What are the up's and down's of the SRT?



3) Why do people get the SRT? Compared to DAK.



4) Why not to get the SRT?



Thanks in advance!


Its a lot shorter reset as the name implies. When in IDPA, waiting for the SIG single action to reset feels a little long to me and the SRT really mimics the shorter resets that you see in a Glock or a 1911.



DAK is a Double action setup - completely opposite of the SRT.



I sell WAY more SRT guns than I do DAK.



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That helped me so much, thank you Jim!



Do you think the SIG P220 COMBAT SRT is a good first handgun?



For the price, the quality seems worth it. Any suggestions?



Thanks again!


The 220 in SRT is a great combination but I would go with a 9mm gun as a first for two reasons.

1. Ammunition cost is substantially higher on 45ACP vs 9mm2. Ammunition availability on 45ACP is problematic. I got 15,000 rounds of 9mm in and it sells pretty regularly. I got 4,000 rounds of 45ACP and it all sold in two days.
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The 220 in SRT is a great combination but I would go with a 9mm gun as a first for two reasons.

1. Ammunition cost is substantially higher on 45ACP vs 9mm2. Ammunition availability on 45ACP is problematic. I got 15,000 rounds of 9mm in and it sells pretty regularly. I got 4,000 rounds of 45ACP and it all sold in two days.


Now that is something to consider!



On the performance end, there isn't as much "knock-down power", but I do like the 15-20rd mag!



I like the P226 TACTICAL OPERATIONS 9mm, which is already SRT and has a beavertail.



What about .40S&W or .357SIG, any comments on those calibers?
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I just noticed none of the P226's I like are available for California!



The Tac Ops, COMBAT, Elite, etc... basicaly only the standard P226 is CA Compliant because of its 10 round magazine capacity.
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I just noticed none of the P226's I like are available for California!



The Tac Ops, COMBAT, Elite, etc... basically only the standard P226 is CA Compliant because of its 10 round magazine capacity.
All I can say about that is that I'm glad I don't live in CA.
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I'm wondering if a non-CA dealer could get one for you, swap the mags, and then transfer the gun to you. Sounds like a good plan to me.
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You are gonna have alot of issues in general with California.
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Old 10-13-2010, 07:38 AM   #11
 
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Indeed.



Well, I am set on the P220 COMBAT, and there is only one thing missing from its design, a beavertail.



So, I suggest we figure out a way to make a custom grip add-on which incorperates a beavertail design.



There might need to be two versions, one for the standard and one for the ergonomic.



Any takers?



If someone can get me CAD files for the P220 frame, I might be able to do something within a years time.



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i would look at a P229/P226 with cali legal mags.
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So I just spoke with SIG SAUER, and they said they are receiving many inquiries into the COMBAT finish on other models. The reason you can't get the COMBAT frame with a beavertail is because the M1913 Picatinny rail in exclusive to that frame. So getting the Elite Dark COMBAT finish would be the ultimate trade off, and all you loose is the M1913 rail. They said this modification would be available in 30-60 days, as they have not done it in 10 years.



It is actually the SRT that makes it un-attainable in CA, but if you purchase it in another state you may be able to work something out with the local Law Enforcement.



I don't want to go for the 226/229 because their only advantage for me is in the 15-20round mag, and that isn't legal in CA. The lower kick is nice, but a .45ACP with a beavertail is controllable and highly accurate.



Ammo cost and availability is a consideration, but not the issue for me.



Thanks for all the feedback!



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I am specificaly talking about getting the COMBAT finish with the beavertail, you basicaly have to trade the beavertail for the M1912 rail.



BTW, what is the type of accessory rail that is standard on the P220s? I know it is a Picatinny, but is there a name/spec on that?
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