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Old 02-26-2013, 07:36 PM   #1
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P220 Elite Dark accuracy?

I have shot my P220 Elite Dark (purchased brand new about a month ago) two separate times now with terrible accuracy. I mean this gun is shooting about 17 to 18 inches too low and about 8 inches too far to the left. I will admit I am not a marksman by any means, but my aim is by no means this bad. I know I am sighting correctly, and the groupings are always the same when I aim at the center of the target. They are low about 18 inches and to the left about 8 inches. These were all shot at a distance of 8 meters (25 to 28 feet).

Needless to say, I tried adjusting the adjustable sight in the rear. I adjusted it all the way up and the result I get is above (about 18 inches too low). I also tried adjusting the sight to the right and was able to get the windage accuracy more correct, but at the cost of having the rear sight very dovetailed very far to the right of the slide (too far, IMO).

I have not adjusted the front sight at all as of yet as I don't have a tool to do so.

So, can some of you guys help me out and give me some ideas about what could be wrong? I took the gun to my local gunsmith and he said that (possibly) Sig could have installed an incorrect front sight (too tall).

Can someone please give me the part number of the front sight of their P220 Elite Dark so I can compare with mine?

The gun functions absolutely great except for the accuracy.

Any help you guys can give would be very much appreciated. Thanks very much.

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Old 02-26-2013, 07:55 PM   #2
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Mine just say 'MH3 AL'

Probably not the info you need but that is all I could find.
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:08 PM   #3
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you should've let an experienced shooter see if what you fired could be duplicated before adjusting the sites.

sites are usually set for 25 meters.

take a look at these.
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you should've let an experienced shooter see if what you fired could be duplicated before adjusting the sites.

sites are usually set for 25 meters.

take a look at these.

Thank you for posting this. I went looking for it to post but wasn't having any luck. Hope it helps the OP
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Mine just say 'MH3 AL'

Probably not the info you need but that is all I could find.
Actually, I believe it is. Thank you sir. Mine say the same thing. I am thinking this is the part number, no? Does this number correspond to what height the sight is?
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you should've let an experienced shooter see if what you fired could be duplicated before adjusting the sites.

sites are usually set for 25 meters.

take a look at these.
I did look at all of the images you posted before the second time going out and shooting (today) and before adjusting the sights. I did not however let someone else shoot the P220 before adjusting the sights. I am aiming as it shows in the second image. I do not believe it my sighting that is the problem. I understand how to aim with the combat night sights. There may be other problems I have? But I have shot other .45's and have been pretty accurate with them. None of the Sig, however.

Even between 8 meters and 25 meters, there shouldn't be this much discrepency in accuracy as I listed above should there? Thanks guys for the continued help.
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Actually, I believe it is. Thank you sir. Mine say the same thing. I am thinking this is the part number, no? Does this number correspond to what height the sight is?

From what I gather, MH3 stands for the sight maker and AL is a date stamp. so not sure it has anything to do with size.
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MH3 being the "sight marker", meaning what exactly? Thanks again 220 Elite and bearone2.
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MH3 is Meprolight Tritium.

AL is 2011 in Meprolight speak.


I got the above info from a prior thread that was posted on here awhile back.
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Ah, thank you. So it's the Meprolight part number. Sounds like the front sight is the correct one?

Ooops, I just noticed that you said "sight maker", not "sight marker". Doh! Anyway, thanks for you responses. Sorry for my inability to read correctly.

How tall is your front sight compared to the rear?
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my front sight sits roughly 1/16" lower than the top of the rear sight post.

Comparing the tallest point to the tallest point of both sights.


FWIW. I have never adjusted my sights and recently completed a 'shoot and move' course. where we started from cover and then shot while moving to the next cover. Using a paper plate to simulate center mass, all my rounds hit. Definitely not bragging rights type shooting but worked for me.
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Shoot at two targets

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the groupings are always the same when I aim at the center of the target. They are low about 18 inches and to the left about 8 inches. These were all shot at a distance of 8 meters (25 to 28 feet).
Hi headrott,

It is always a good idea to get an experienced shooter to shoot your P220 before adjusting your sights. As a matter of fact, you should go to the range several times before adjusting your sights.

This is what you need to do now.
Center your rear sight and it is ok to leave the elevation high.

(Use sight image 3)

Set two targets up. One bulls eye 18" higher and 8" to the right of the bottom target.

Hold the pistol very firmly and aim at the top bulls eye by covering the bulls eye with the front sight, and allow the two dots on the rear sight to form a straight line across with the dot on the front sight. The bulls eye will be behind the front sight.

Shoot a little bit and bring a picture of all the holes in the bottom target that are exactly in the bulls eye of the bottom target. (only then should you begin adjusting your sights)

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Hi headrott,

It is always a good idea to get an experienced shooter to shoot your P220 before adjusting your sights. As a matter of fact, you should go to the range several times before adjusting your sights.

This is what you need to do now.
Center your rear sight and it is ok to leave the elevation high.

(Use sight image 3)

Set two targets up. One bulls eye 18" higher and 8" to the right of the bottom target.

Hold the pistol very firmly and aim at the top bulls eye by covering the bulls eye with the front sight, and allow the two dots on the rear sight to form a straight line across with the dot on the front sight. The bulls eye will be behind the front sight.

Shoot a little bit and bring a picture of all the holes in the bottom target that are exactly in the bulls eye of the bottom target. (only then should you begin adjusting your sights)
Hi fjgiie,

Thank you for the advice. I wish I would have thought of this earlier at the range. You make excellent points. I will give what you say a try and report back. I won't be able to shoot again until probably next tuesday, but we'll see.

That said, please don't expect all shots to be in the bullseye using your method. As I said, I am not a marksman but I can shoot consistantly well enough to hit the target. The way my P220 is shooting now, I cannot even hit the target if I am aiming at the bullseye.

Thanks again for the great advice sir. I will put it to use.

Also, any advice for or against using a bore sight?

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Hitting near the target

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Also, any advice for or against using a bore sight?
There is nothing wrong with using a bore sight.

A good shooter friend may be quicker and give you the same information.


Let me say that I have already gone through what you are talking about when you say 18" low and 8" left. My mind was made up and so I went to the range and fixed a rest so I could actually see how far off my sights were on a SIG P228. At the range I could not tell. The impact was hitting well below the target and into the dirt. Later the same P228 without any sight adjustment would keep impact inside 2" circles at 7 yards free standing. (picture)

What happens is firing anticipation, or recoil anticipation. Your body fights the recoil right before it happens. That would be low and left impact. You can practice dry firing by placing an orange ear plug behind the firing pin and seeing how much the front sight moves when you pull the trigger. Practice until the front sight remains still. You will find that a stronger grip with your support hand will help hold that sight still and on target.

When you go back to the range, you have to force yourself to fire with the front sight on the target, just like dry fire. Guess what, the impact will be within a few of inches of the bulls eye.
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Same thing happened with my buddy.
He had a Glock that he swore the sights were messed up on. He kept shooting 8" low and to the right. He just couldn't hit the center ring/bull's eye.
I finally gave it a shot and put the first three shots into the bull's eye. Told him to work on his technique and to stop anticipating the recoil
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