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Old 02-27-2013, 07:23 AM   #1
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Short extractor vs long extractor

I've seen several comments indicating that some people prefer the legacy short extractors over the newer long extractors, but can someone please explain the pros and cons of short vs long? I just saw a new P229 advertised with the short extractor which added to my confusion as I thought all of the new 229's had the long extractor.
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:29 AM   #2
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This question has come up numerous times, and I've never seen an answer based on fact vs. personal opinion/experience.
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:48 AM   #3
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Some feel the short extractor looks better; personal preference I suppose.

Some feel the short one performs more reliably but I've not seen any objective data to support that view.

The only difference that I've seen that matters is in terms of maintenance. The short extractor (and spring) can be removed from the slide with just a small screwdriver whereas the the roll pin holding the long extractor in the slide has to be punched out to remove the extractor. I believe that the roll pin is "sacrificial", meaning it has to be replaced once removed.
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Doesn't the long extractor function as the loaded chamber indicator or am I wrong about that?
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:15 AM   #5
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Kind of, but its not a very noticeable indicator.
I have both types of extractors and I see no difference. Both my Sig's will feed any and all crap ammo. If not Sig will make it so it will. I believe in the company and if Sig uses either type of extractor, that means it works on their guns.


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Doesn't the long extractor function as the loaded chamber indicator or am I wrong about that?
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:38 AM   #6
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These are my observations and opinions, but with some facts mixed in. The short extractor functioned flawlessly for many years in the P229. When Sig decided to go to the long extractor there was a great deal of grumbling from Sig diehard fans - "why fix what ain't broke?", "another example of Coen cost cutting at the expense of quality or reliability", "why change if it's not an improvement", "it's ugly", etc. Matters weren't helped by the fact that there was what I remember as an extraction problem with some guns with long extractors. The problem turned out to be caused by an over-sized barrel channel in the slide, but now the long extractor was guilty by association of less than reliable performance.

Is there anything wrong functionally with the long extractor? Not that I am aware of. I have heard that it is cheaper to make which is why it came into existence in the first place, but it is still ugly to me. Shortly after the barrel chamber fiasco, Sig came out with P229s with the "Legacy" slide with the half-height serrations and the short extractor. It seemed to me to be a bit hit. Because of the success (my assumption) of the Legacy slide, or maybe all of the complaints, there were rumors that Sig was going back to all short extractors. Maybe what Jimeg has seen is the fulfillment of that rumor.

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Old 02-27-2013, 09:47 AM   #7
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I've always heard longer extractors are more reliable. I do know that they are a lot easier to clean. They may be less likely to break, but haven't seen any data on that.
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Good post, wgsigs.
When my 2022 was in jail, I realized from photo posts that some came with the short extractor and some with the long.
Being OCD, I researched the heck out of it and some griped about one or the other at some point in time, but not as it specifically relates to the 2022 as I recall.
Some one can correct me, but I have not heard of the 2022 having extractor issues regardless of extractor type.

So perhaps its safe to conclude its more of an issue of form, rather than function.
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In case of the 2022, some older ones have an internal extractor. Mine does.

1911s are all over the place.

The debate does seem to be more of an emotional one.
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My 2022 was born November, 2012 and has an internal extractor. Go figure.
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I'm only familiar with the P-series controversy and more specifically the P229. Was there a debate about short versus long extractors with the SP2022?
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I'm only familiar with the P-series controversy and more specifically the P229. Was there a debate about short versus long extractors with the SP2022?
I recall a number of people opining in a general way regarding the reliability of short vs. long Sig extractors.

Made me feel, when I was waiting for my Sig, that I was possibly screwed no matter which type extractor I had.
Meanwhile, 700+ rounds later, and zero failures.
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:53 PM   #13
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When I bought my P229 Dark Elite TB, the guy at Cheaper than Dirt told me long is the new design.
Sig had issues with the short extractor and went to long.
It kind of confirmed what I had read, but since joining here, now is the opposite.
Which ever it is, my gun production is October 2011 and have had no issues with the extractor.
HK uses long extractors too, so I guess there might be some advantage???
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if sig had problems with the short extractor on 229's, never heard much about it over 20+ years.
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I got an interesting answer about the use of the long extractor from a Sig dealer. He said the long extractor was a further refinement for the stainless slides and was designed to be disposable and would wear before the slide. Is it true? Who knows? Looking at other gun brands many have gone to a long extractor. I just hate the look on Sigs. It looks like a caterpillar.
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