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Old 02-28-2013, 06:34 AM   #16
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I see it this way.
With so many new gun owners who now have an interest in firearms and their Right to own a firearm, we have more and more support. Yep, we have a shortage of ammo and mags but every time I see someone at my local GS inquiring about a first time purchase, it warms my heart knowing that person may get involved with protecting their Right. Inconvenience for us long time gun owners? Sure, but best for us in the long run.
Let's face it. Most of us enjoy sharing our knowledge with newbies anyway. We're ALL gun experts! (I know you're smiling now)

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Old 02-28-2013, 06:41 AM   #17
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More gun owners is definitely better for us and more people joining the NRA is increasing out political clout. I do not agree with the NRA a lot of times, but lets face it they are the dominant pro gin force here.
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I'm a newbie myself and even though this most unfortunate recent event is the reason why I bought now, it's not the reason why I decided to purchase in principle, it simply pushed my schedule up. I get the whole supply and demand, but I also get shortage and opportunity, and I don't know how someone hasn't ramped up production yet. Almost makes me wanna do a ammo and accessories start up. If I had the means...
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I'm a newbie myself and even though this most unfortunate recent event is the reason why I bought now, it's not the reason why I decided to purchase in principle, it simply pushed my schedule up. I get the whole supply and demand, but I also get shortage and opportunity, and I don't know how someone hasn't ramped up production yet. Almost makes me wanna do a ammo and accessories start up. If I had the means...
I've heard from some the the ammo supply chain has been drained right back to the basic components (primers, bullets); got a lot of catching up to do.
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I'm a newbie myself and even though this most unfortunate recent event is the reason why I bought now, it's not the reason why I decided to purchase in principle, it simply pushed my schedule up. I get the whole supply and demand, but I also get shortage and opportunity, and I don't know how someone hasn't ramped up production yet. Almost makes me wanna do a ammo and accessories start up. If I had the means...

you've made the assumption that these companies aren't at maximum production levels.

the fact is that demand has been high for some time. add in the november elections, mass shootings, passage of the NY SAFE act, and even more gun control legislation proposals, the demand has jumped even more.

manufacturing capacity can't just be added overnight. if cci/speer is producing ammo at 100% capacity, the only way to increase it is to open a new manufacturing facility, which would take months if not years to do. this is the issue with most manufacturers in the gun industry. the additional capacity just isn't there.
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I've heard from some the the ammo supply chain has been drained right back to the basic components (primers, bullets); got a lot of catching up to do.
That sucks...mags too if they're on the same boat. I'm just tryin to find ~5 mags and I don't want to end up with a gazillian diff models, but that's the way it's going between all the diff configs and limits on qty. it's a bit overwhelming for a newb too...15,17,18rd, matte, polished, mec-gar or promag, etc sheesh
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you've made the assumption that these companies aren't at maximum production levels.

the fact is that demand has been high for some time. add in the november elections, mass shootings, passage of the NY SAFE act, and even more gun control legislation proposals, the demand has jumped even more.

manufacturing capacity can't just be added overnight. if cci/speer is producing ammo at 100% capacity, the only way to increase it is to open a new manufacturing facility, which would take months if not years to do. this is the issue with most manufacturers in the gun industry. the additional capacity just isn't there.
I hear ya.

And with the fear of pending legislation, I'm sure new facility investments would be risky for items like mags. But ammo? More guns = more need for ammo, even mags could be 10rd only if laws push it, and again more gun sales translate to more mags...if demands been high for some time I'm just a little surprised the industry has been kind of slow to respond.
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I've heard from some the the ammo supply chain has been drained right back to the basic components (primers, bullets); got a lot of catching up to do.

there are also huge government, law enforcement, and military contracts that manufacturers are trying to fulfill, so even less is hitting the civilian market.
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You ever wonder how people like that get elected??? same applies to the state of NY.
When the earth was tilted on its axis, all the nuts rolled into California.

I'm the exception to this.
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When the earth was tilted on its axis, all the nuts rolled into California.

I'm the exception to this.
But not the only exception....LOL.

Would you believe that back in the 50s I used to take my little H and R 410 shotgun to school and check it in to the Principals office and pick it up at the end of the day so I could hunt rabbits on the way home from school? That was in Poway CA. Alot has changed since 1958.
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Just a heads up. After spending roughly 2 hours scouring the internets, I finally found 2 15 round mags for my P250 here:

TheHandgunMagazineStore.com - The World's Best Resource For Handgun Magazines and Accessories

I had a similar problem finding mags for my 2022, but found a private seller in Oregon on Armslist that was selling one for $65. :/ Gotta do what you gotta do.

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Unfortunately, it looks to my untrained eye that this may be the new normal for quite a while. When Obama was first elected I owned a P226 and an SP2340 and perhaps 200 rounds for each one. When I needed more ammo I simply went to the local store and bought some. I was late in realizing the full effects of his election and by the time I figured it out there was no ammo to be had.
At that time I ordered a good bit of ammo from Cabela's. The price was decent and they allowed backorders so all I had to do was wait. Seems like I waited about 3 months. This time you cannot backorder anywhere because no one can give you any idea of when supplies will start catching up. In addition as you all know the stock that is available is 2-4x December's prices.This alone tells me that this situation will last longer.
I learned my lesson in '09 and since then I have bought every gun and every bit of ammo I could afford (More than I could afford according to my wife!!!)so I am pretty well set (you never really have "enough").
As to the "newbies" I say welcome one and all! I had been talking to a guy I work with since last summer about getting his carry permit. He kept procrastinating but finally saw the writing on the wall and took the plunge a few weeks ago. Bought a nice Beretta Storm and went online and bought 1000 rds. He is actually taking his carry class today. Makes me feel good that I had at least a little to to do with recruiting another enlistee in our "army".
All that said, it looks to me like the gun grabbers have really been rejuvenated by recent events. They are probably not going away any time soon so this could be a long, bumpy ride.
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:19 AM   #28
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They got us paying these prices now so why would they change it? Why invest in new production facilities when the current situation is fattening their wallets, and new legislation could possibly make that investment a bad decision? I say this from a staunchly pro-capitalism standpoint.
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There has been plenty in the news about the controllers putting pressure on Banks and Financials to end or limit backing to gun companies. Any business that wants to expand or ramp up needs Financing backers. I am in the politically incorrect fuel industry and see the headwinds put up, and the dangers of long range management decisions. The hard left puts up every and any headwind they can, and get absolutely no blame for the price of energy.
Same thing is happening in gun supplies and is not going to go away.
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