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View Poll Results: Dry firing, which is it?
Dry firing without stop damages gun 23 35.38%
Dry firing without stop does not damage gun 42 64.62%
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Old 04-01-2013, 05:41 PM   #46
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Gee, ya think? And here I was questioning your ability for independent thought.
I do, however, take tremendous offense to your egregious use of profanity. It's a violation of forum rules and will have to be reported to the moderators.

Sounds like a plan for..what? Or is that just a line you like to throw out there?
Tremendous and egregious, huh? See also - lions and tigers and bears.

Again, I don't see how posting a relevant response direct from the manufacturer in response to the O/P's question isn't helpful and in the spirit of the forum. Why the hostility in the first place?
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Old 04-25-2013, 04:37 PM   #47
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Actually, my friend, I did read your link, in its entirety, prior to posting my response! It was an article authored by a gentleman by the name of Christopher Eger and published on a website titled GlockForum. He discussed his opinions of why you should not dry fire a Glock and at the end of his discourse, he pursued the official statement from Glock. I will quote here from the article:

"To get to the bottom of this, Glock Forum went right to the source and contacted Glock USA themselves. Here is what we found:

Dear Glock

I am writing an article on Glock Forum on Dry Firing G-series Glock pistols. What is the official Glock policy on this practice?

Is it ok or not, in a nutshell?

Christopher Eger


The quick response back:

Mr. Eger,

Generally, dry firing the Glock pistol is not a problem, however, when taken to excess, e.g., thousands of dry firings, Glock now recommends the use of snap-caps.
When taken to the extreme, the breech-face can be damaged.

Best regards,
(Name redacted)
Glock Inc, Technical Services
6000 Highlands Parkway
Smyrna, GA 30082"





1) Mr. Eger is NOT an employee of Glock nor does he represent Glock in any way.

2) The respondent from Glock has been redacted. Oh, did I say anonymous?

3) Requests for information like this occur often for companies like Glock from the news media, bloggers and a multitude of others. The respondent will typically allow their name to be used when the response is as innocuous as this.




I do not know Mr. Eger, nor do I know his motives or agenda. Why this person at Glock was left as anonymous I do not know and I will not draw any conclusions. However, I do not consider this to be a valid citation of the official position of Glock on the issue of dry-firing!
Hello there, the gentleman was Doug Robinson with Glock Technical Services, Doug Robinson <Doug.Robinson@glock.us>.

My own email address is egerwriter@gmail.com

The communication was on 9/11/12 and I will forward it to you in its entirety to end the perceived conspiracy.

Thanks

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If you have a Sig with the solid slide pin I wouldn't dry fire it. I have two Sig 226 stainless old new stock made in 2009 and both pins broke with less than 20 dry fires without snap caps.
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Old 04-26-2013, 02:33 AM   #50
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Snap caps are cheap insurance. While dry fire practicing I also perform malfunction clearing drills. Two birds, one stone.
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Re: Dry firing?

I don't get all this arguing...
I wear hundreds of dollars of protective equipment when I ride my motorcycle. In 20 years of riding I've only gone down once...
I don't wear it because I think I might crash.. Crashing is incredibly rare..

Why is using a $2 snap cap in a $800 gun such a big deal? Even if damage is incredibly rare?


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Dry firing?

My first Sig P938 "very early" SN, with 2 dry fires drove the firing pin through to extend into the firing chamber. I had to reinstall; after that, now always use snap caps.
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When from day one of gun education (I'm talking 6 yrs old) it is pounded into you that dry firing a gun can damage the firing pin, you tend to not want to dry fire guns.

I do have to ask a question with all the mixed reviews on this issue. How does the manufacturer react to firing pin damage under warranty? Do they tell you that the damage is from excessive dry firing and therefore not covered? Or do they cover it no questions asked? Just curious.

Some in this thread say that it is imposible to damage a firing pin by dry firing. Yet some give personal experience that dry firing has damaged there weapon. So, from the reading of this thread, and from being pounded from day one of the importance NOT to dry fire any gun, my opinion is......

Well it is just that, my opinion. I'll continue to use snap caps for dry fire practice (sometimes 200-400 per session as I am also breaking in a DAO trigger). AND I will dry fire a weapon on minimal occasion or when necessary to uncock a cleared weapon.
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Dry firing?

[QUOTE=blackpeter;104820]I don't get all this arguing...
I wear hundreds of dollars of protective equipment when I ride my motorcycle. In 20 years of riding I've only gone down once...
I don't wear it because I think I might crash.. Crashing is incredibly rare..

Why is using a $2 snap cap in a $800 gun such a big deal? Even if damage is incredibly rare?



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Never dry fire rimfire rifles/pistols.

Other modern firearms are ok for dry fire but not older firearms.

Do not dry fire a bow.

Dry fire on a watergun is pointless.

If you are going to dry fire use a revolver with a heavy pull to get the best practice. I have my model 625 for dry fire, have done it thousands of times and there isn't any visible wear.
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Hello there, the gentleman was Doug Robinson with Glock Technical Services, Doug Robinson .

My own email address is egerwriter@gmail.com

The communication was on 9/11/12 and I will forward it to you in its entirety to end the perceived conspiracy.

Thanks

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Now THAT is a citation, thank you, Mr Eger!

This does not change my view, however, that a handgun is a tool to be learned and used, with a limited useful life. Part of that learning process consists of dry fire practice. Unless a handgun has a specific design constraint, such as a rimfire, that precludes the practice of dry fire, I will continue so doing with my handguns, specifically my striker fired handguns. I will continue to monitor these tools for wear that would make them unsafe to use and react appropriately.

No conspiracy perceived, and likewise, no slight intended. Simply trying to put closure to a citation that left me wanting. And that, sir, you have provided, thank you!
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Old 06-20-2016, 11:30 AM   #57
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On page 20 of the SIG Mosquito manual, https://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/Cms...TOUSMANUAL.pdf the function check includes dry-firing with no mention of a snap cap. Not sure if this was a lazy copy/paste in their copy room.

3. Check double action (DA).
Insert empty magazine (gun has a
magazine safety).
Pull trigger fully with decocked hammer.
Verify hammer travels fully to rear and
releases. Hammer should impact firing pin
with adequate force. Hammer should reset
into safety intercept notch (verify by
pressing back of hammer).
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It's fine.

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It is safe to dry-fire our center fire pistols. You would want to use a snap cap or plug if extensive dry-firing is done. Always count your dry-firing in your live fire count to be sure all springs and pins are in top condition. DO NOT intentionally dry-fire any rim fire pistol such as the Mosquito, .22LR conversions or Classic Pistols.
And there you have it from Sig. I dry fire 3 days a week and I call that extensive so I use a snap cap when I do so.
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One of the reasons for no dry fire is it makes some lazy about checking there chamber.
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Are the Sig's firing pin and firing pin retaining pin not made with good quality metal? Looks like some of us here consider these parts brittle and can easily break.
I dry fire without snap caps, and based on experience with my other guns, not one had any firing pin break or damage. I have seen some peening on the firing pin safety block in my Series 80 Colts but that's it.
Now I'm concerned about my Sig firing pin and retaining pin being brittle and all. And this is my first time to own a DA/SA gun.
I do not do extensive dry firing, may 2-5 trigger pulls whenever I take out my gun to fondle it.
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