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Old 08-12-2013, 08:46 AM   #46
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Dave, I originally wanted the LRP in 243 but I just cant see the 9.25 twist rage Savage has.

Thats why Im gonna go with the Creedmoor. Another reason is that Sharpshooter has Savage barrels

in either Douglass XX or Brux already threaded. Either in 243 is an 8 twist.

And we know how easy it is to swap out a Savage barrrel. So, thats pretty much my long rangę plan.

I at first wanted 300wsm but forgot its a magnum bolt face.
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From dundem: SIG 716, Iron Sights

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Had a great day at the today sighting in my irons on my ODG 716. Shot a 100 rounds through my 716 flawlessly. Stinky Tula smell though. I was surprised the ammo did as well as it did based on the the POF's and M&P10's that I've seen videos of choking on it. YMMV I guess. All rounds were fired on the normal gas settings. So far 140 flawless rounds, the first 40 being Federal Gold Medal Match. This is my first rifle, first time shooting outdoors, first time shooting it beyond 30yards. It was about 89 degrees. With the humidity it felt like 99 according to my Weather Channel app.

50 yards with iron sights. 2 rounds to the lower right target. One touch the bullseye. Moved to 100 right after...lol.



100 yards was next after the previous 2 rounds at 50 were really close. This shot is not from the table I was shooting from BTW.



100 yards with iron sights. I could barely see this target. I'm sure a a 4 power scope would have yielded much better results.

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From rhipsher: SIG 516, Leupold VX-R 1.25-4 X 20mm HOG, 100 yards

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Although the Sig mini red dot is Ok for close quarters combat it just doesn't cut it for anything further out than 50 yards.



But this does. The Leupold VX-R 1.25-4 X 20mm HOG. I hunt wild hogs and this is the perfect setup for them. I liked it so much on our last hog hunt so I got one. I was even able to get a picture of the "PIG PLEX illuminated reticle" with the fire dot.











It's a great addition to either the 516 or 716. It's a nice heavy duty scope with allot of nice features. If you forget to turn the fire dot off it will automatically shut itself off after 5 minutes. And as soon as you pick the rifle back up it will turn right back on. I'll be sighting it in this weekend for the next hog eradication. This time out of a helicopter.
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After tweaking the scope with 3 or 4 adjustments the 516 and that scope were just tac driving at 100 yards. All I used was a bipod and stock to my shoulder. No sand bags. If I spent a little more time tweaking and used sand bags I probably could have done that at 200 yards. I was impressed. For a rifle that has a 16" barrel length? Not bad. Oh yeah! That scope made the difference for sure. I knew the 516 could do it I just needed the right optics.



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Old 09-08-2013, 09:08 AM   #49
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First attempt at getting tight groups at an outdoor range using the SIG 716 and Trijicon ACOG TA648 - 308H!

Used CBC 7.62 x 51mm, 147 grain, FMJ, NATO, M80 ammunition.



The rifle was fired from a Lead Sled (to eliminate my poor marksmanship as a factor), and with these results, I'm NOT very happy

Things went well enough with the 25 meter "Battle Sight Zero."

NOTE: The scope WAS level with the ground when shot, just not so in these photographs.



The circle in the center has a 1 inch diameter.





...groupings were HORRIBLE at 100 meters.







Despite being saddened by the results, I do have to say that this particular reticle is really easy to use on my choice of targets - it feels just like an Aimpoint dot at longer ranges.

The nice thing about using these particular targets is that the red dot fits exactly between the four black squares at 100 meters.



Should I try match ammunition next?



I was really expecting so much more from this rifle (I've tried to eliminate as much of myself being the issue), based on earlier posts.

I'm open to any suggestions...
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This was the first time I took my M400 out to zero with the EoTech holographic sight.

2 five-shot groups at 25 yards. Standing supported with elbows on the ledge, but no rest.

My 13 year-old's group is to the chest. My 5 shot group (yes, there ARE 5 shots - 4 bullets went through 2 holes!) was to the head.

I'm kinda a fan!

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Keeping your shots permanently affixed as an attachment!...
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From ndczerwinski: SIG 716, Leupold VX-R Patrol 3-9x40, 100 yards

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Love the scope. I didn't even bore sight but it was only 6" low and less than 1" off windage right out of the box with my Larue SPR1.5 mount. Shot a few times calculates how many mils to come up and boom right on target. I love the fire dot. Much better than the non illuminated and fully illuminated reticles I have on my other scopes. Here's the results. 6 holes for 8 shots! A few were taken before my windage adjustment. These were take. At 100 yds or so with some cheap federal ammo for Walmart. The bullseye is 1" in diameter so I am confident this will be a sub MoA gu. With good ammo.

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From Dresden at *************: SIG 716, Vortex 4-16x44, 100 yards

My New to Me 716!! - Topic

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I have been looking around for this rifle for months, but the prices have been outrageous! I found this on Gunbroker a few weeks ago, with the sling, a great case and the Sig open sights. it had not been shot much and had zero scratches or blemishes on it. I bought it for $1680 plus $30 shipping, so I felt like I had made a reasonable deal.

I put a Vortex scope 4-16x44mm scope on it and am thrilled with the performance of the rifle, at the range today. I have dropped a picture of my target at 100 yards so you can see how it shoots.

What I am not thrilled with is the trigger. Geez, it felt like I was pulling a file through the receiver every time I fired it. I am thinking that I want to put a Timney 4lb trigger in it, but I have also read that the Geissle (sp?) trigger is very good. I just don't know which I want, so would welcome any input to my decision. Here are a few pictures of the new Big Man on Campus this week.



I put a Harris Bipod on it and it seems to be very stable with those on the bench.



And finally, here is the target. I was using Federal Premium ammunition for sighting in and it seems to work really, really well.



Update on the Geissele Trigger. I wrote to Timney Triggers asking for input on which trigger to use in my rifle, since my LGS carried them. I didn't get any response from them, and saw the recommendations on Geissele from the awesome posters to this thread. I emailed them, and within hours got a reply from James Clark, along with questions about what I intended to use the rifle for. After our back and forth, he recommended the SSA and I ordered it online. It came two days later Priority Mail and with the instructions included, and the Youtube Videos that Geissele posts, I was able to replace the stock trigger without any problems at all. I could tell by dry firing what an improvement this would be, and took the rifle to the range yesterday. The attached target from one hundred yards proves the hypothesis "you will see a group half the size of your previous groups". . . I am a fan, both of Geissele's hardware and their customer service. Geissele rocks!!

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From cdbruster at AR15.com: SIG 716, ACOG TAH11-308G, quotes 3/4 MOA groups at 100 yards

Sig Sauer 716 Patrol Range Report. - AR15.COM

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I recently purchased a Sig Sauer 716 Patrol Rifle. My first impression of the rifle upon receiving it was a good one. I own the 716's little brother, the 516, so I already had certain expectations of the rifle. The trigger felt very good and broke around 7.3 pounds. The action manually cycled very smoothly and even more so after a thorough cleaning. Fit and finish is great and I really like the Magpul ACS Stock and MOE Grip. The rifle is uses a short stroke gas piston system and the barrel is chrome lines, free floating and has a 1 in 10 " twist. I don't know who (it may be Sig) manufactures the front and rear flip up BUIS however they are functional but nothing to write home about. The rifle came with one 20 round Magpul magazine, 2 QD sling swivels and a sling. Sig has QD swivel holes milled into the receiver and on the rail which I feel is a very nice feature. I equipped the rifle with an ACOG TAH11-308G; 3.5X with the .308 BDC reticle and green tritium / fiber optically illuminated horseshoe reticle with a 2 MOA Dot. At the range... I started by sighting in the BUIS and breaking in the barrel. I went ahead and purchased some Troy Industries front and rear folding BUIS because I didn't have a warm-fuzzy feeling with the BUIS the rifle came with. Once the BUIS was sighted in, I attached the ACOG and began sighting it in as well. I've heard arguments about breaking in a barrel but I swab the barrel every round for the first 10 then every 10 for the first 100. It is nice to pull out a cool and clean bolt carrier group thanks to the gas piston system. Yes, gas piston has worked well for 60 years on ARs however, gas piston has worked well on AKs, FNs, etc, even longer. I followed the ACOG sight in procedure ensuring to give five or six raps on the windage and elevation knob covers with my knuckle after each adjustment. After sight in, I was shooting 3/4 MOA groups at 100 yards using my match loads. These loads are 168 gr Sierra Match King BTHP that fly at 2770 fps through a 20" barrel. I was seeing speeds of 2650 through the 16 in barrel on my 716. I was impressed with the ACOG, man, that is a nice battle sight. The rifle fed and cycled without any failures. Recoil of the rifle was noticeably less when compared to a DPMS LR308-AP4. All in all, it's a winner!







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From C_Swimm at AR15.com: SIG 716, Iron Sights, 50 yards

MY 716 range report - AR15.COM

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Initial Range Report.

MY gun club had it's Friday night trap shoot practice at 6:30 last night so I hurried up to go out there to try out the 716 before that started. I also had some 55gr HP flat base "work up" loads I needed to chrono in my 516 too.

I got out there at 6:00 so I quickly set up some targets at 100 yards for the 5.56 chrono loads and a couple targets at 50 yards to check zero on the 716. I only had a few boxes of Federal Gold Medal Match 168gr ammo at the house so I picked up some PMC 147gr NATO ammo at the gun shop on the way to the range. The only targets I had available were the cheap Wal-Mart bullseye type and no proper zeroing targets. After a quick set up and getting done with shooting my 5.56 reloads through the chrono I got the 716 out and loaded up a mag of the PMC to get it zeroed. I started at 50 since i had no idea where it would be grouping. I hadn't done anything as far as cleaning to the rifle. It seemed fairly well oiled when I looked it over the night before. The only thing I did was center the windage adjustment on the rear sight before taking it to the range.

I fired 6 shots at the 50 yard target with using the factory sights. and got this grouping.



SIG 716 50 yards PMC

No I don't shoot with iron sights very often and with the sun setting to my left it wasn't the ideal set up, but I couldn't wait to try this gun out. The low right shot was the first "fouling round" out of the rifle. I shot 3 more and they seemed pretty well on to me when looking through my spotting scope so I shot two more. I shot the rest of the mag at a steel plate target at 200 yards. All of the paint had been shot off the target and it was getting had to see. I could see the still while pole holding it up so I aimed just above it getting hits on all but maybe 2 shots.

I let my daughter shoot a few shots through it next and she loved it.

Next I loaded 5 rounds of the Federal GMM 168gr ammo and shot this group on my only other 50 yard target out there. A lot of dust was getting kicked up from the backstop between me and the other guy on the line shooting his AR15 at the same range.



SIG 716 50 yards Federal GMM

Like I said, I don't shoot iron sights very often and the short time I had and the setting sun didn't help, but I am very pleased with the results l got. I am going to mount an optic on it and get it back to the range soon. I really want to see what this rifle is capable of.

My observations:

The gun has a very solid feel. With the friction lock on the Magpul ACS stock there is no wobble at all in the stock, and the accu-tensioner in the lower, there is no slop between the upper and low. Just a rock solid feel through the hole gun.

No malfunctions of any kind.

Trigger is a little heavy but not too bad for a factory AR trigger.
It was right on the money with rear sight centered. I mad no adjustments to the sight at all at the range.

Accuracy was better than I expected given other reviews. I am really excited to see what it will do with a decent scope on it.

If you find one for under $1800 I suggest you get it. I don't think the price will be coming down on these, and they seem more likely to be going up recently. Damn glad I got it and didn't hold out for the Precision Marksman version. Although I may get one of those when they come out too.

Here is a short video my daughter took while shooting some PMC at the 200 yard steel target. You can hear the first 2 hit the plate, then the next the hit the holder, and the last one miss.

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Regarding the cdbruster post,I saw no 3/4 moa group pics. I'd also like his load data...until then I'm calling BS on a 168 MK doin 2650 out of a 16 inch barrel or, he's going to wreck his 716 running loads like that.

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Regarding the cdbruster post,I saw no 3/4 moa group pics. I'd also like his load data...until then I'm calling BS on a 168 MK doin 2650 out of a 16 inch barrel or, he's going to wreck his 716 running loads like that.
That one, unfortunately...

...had no photos of the target(s).

It probably would be on the upper end of the spectrum of hearsay, if ever...

It's difficult using the horseshoe reticle for anything under 2MOA without the proper kind of target markings, since that's what the red dot's supposed to cover at 100 meters.

Showing the relative size of that particular Trijicon ACOG makes some good eye candy, though; I use the 5.56mm version on my SIG 516

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From DudeMar at AK47.net: SIG 716, presumably Iron Sights, 50 yards

SIG 716 Reliability?? - AK47.NET

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Just returned from the range with my new 716 and couldn't be happier. Please note that it's been over 20 years since I have shot a rifle of any sorts and after some time expect a little tight grouping. 7 lbs is to much on the trigger and I will be in search of a replacement asap. I shot 100 rounds and didn't have any problems with FTF, until I loaded up with Federal Power-Shok 180 grain. It would extract the spent case, but wouldn't chamber the next round. Once I went back to the 150 grain Remington, life was good. Anyone have suggestions, please feel free to educate me!

The first rounds were in the lower left quadrant of the target area, with the splatter target receiving the rest of the clip after adjustments were made. 50 yards...

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From Basenji at Sigarms556.com: SIG 716, probably a Leupold 1.5-5x20, 25 to 100 yards

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OK, I am an early adopter. My 556 was and is flawless, my SBR 556 is flawless and I'm hoping that my 716 is that way also. (Don't ask me about my early Kimber Solo...I think I got one made late Friday afternoon.)

I have not shot it yet, I'll go to the indoor range next week for a 25 yard zero and the outdoor range later. I have, however, cleaned it and taken pictures.

This is what came with it (the case is just a SIG case so I didn't take a picture of it):



Fire control group from above:



Looking aft towards the buffer tube (please excuse the dirty towel):



Shots of the bolt and carrier from different angles compared with a Colt (I believe) AR15 bolt and the piston:







I am not an expert on anything, especially AR piston rifles, but it appears at first blush to be well put together and robust. It was interesting to me that the 716 bolt has what appears to me to be lightening cuts and the "carrier key" is part of the carrier group and not a separate piece. Since this is my first .308/7.62 AR rifle I can't compare it to any other bolt for that caliber. I am looking forward to shooting it and I'll let you know how it turns out.

OK, I wasn't going to shoot it until next week, but...

I went to the indoor range to see if I could get it on paper. I was using the mag as a monopod. I am not the world's greatest shot. This is the first shot at 25 yards.



Fifteen round rapid fire:



I am very happy with the results! The rifle feels solid and is more accurate than I am. As I have said, I've been very lucky with my SIG rifles. I hope they all are as good as this one.

I went to the outdoor range to shoot it at longer ranges, 50 and 100 yards. I found out two things, my Leupold 1.5x5 scope is not as powerful as my old eyes need and I am not that great of a shot. These shots were taken at 50 yards seated with a front support. I had 5 different types of ammo, but it liked the 168 grain the best. I had Federal Sierra Matchking and PPU Match that were both 168 so I shot that for what I laughingly call accuracy. I shot 5 rounds each string.

This is the Federal at 50 yards:



PPU at 50 yards:

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Federal at 100 yards (I shot two strings each, the second I shot using the hold under to try and hit the center of the target):



PPU at 100 yards (same as the Federal, 2 five round strings, the top most one on the Shoot and See was from the first and higher string):



And yes, I realize I'm not that good of a shot. Never claimed to be, I haven't shot at 50 or 100 yards in about 6 or 7 years. I suspect I will get better as I practice.

If you are in Eastern Virginia, The Armory in Virginia Beach will have them soon, I got their first one.
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