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Old 12-22-2016, 12:53 PM   #31
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I emailed Geissele about this recall to see if the trigger parts coming from Sig are actually from the new Geissele MCX trigger and if they will work with my current SSA-E... this is the response I got:

"Thank you for contacting us. We have just recently heard of this recall and we are still working out all of the details. Right now, we cannot confirm this information. Once we get more information about this issue, we will let everyone know. I hope this helps."

Not giving me a great feeling about this recall and how soon I will see my gun again or if my current trigger will still work the same.
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Old 12-22-2016, 01:00 PM   #32
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I emailed Geissele about this recall to see if the trigger parts coming from Sig are actually from the new Geissele MCX trigger and if they will work with my current SSA-E... this is the response I got:

"Thank you for contacting us. We have just recently heard of this recall and we are still working out all of the details. Right now, we cannot confirm this information. Once we get more information about this issue, we will let everyone know. I hope this helps."

Not giving me a great feeling about this recall and how soon I will see my gun again or if my current trigger will still work the same.
I wouldn't worry about it. Vendors work under agreements (non-disclosure) not to discuss relationship details with companies they supply. Legally if they they talked about what they worked with Sig on, they could be in breach of contract and loose a big contract. At the worse there could large financial impacts.
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Old 12-22-2016, 01:39 PM   #33
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Good luck trying to get through. First multiple attempts with just a busy signal. When finally got past busy signal now at 30 minutes on hold and counting.

You would think they would increase operators or better yet offer email link to engage the return process.

All that happens with the link provided is the same registration link I filled out when I first purchased.

Pretty poor customer service!
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Old 12-22-2016, 01:48 PM   #34
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I see the new spring plate will be pinned.

Perhaps a reaction to nutnfancy's failure on youtube? The one where folks think he didn't install the springs correctly?

Jeez. I've got a Geisselle SSA installed so will probably have to send in the whole rifle (300 blackout, 16" barrel by the way).

Seriously considering trading this thing in for a DD or LWRC.
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Old 12-22-2016, 01:57 PM   #35
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Finally got through to CS

I was told:

1) all mcx involved below the number in the email; the specific serial numbers listed in the email need additional attention.

2) click on the link provided and register even if you already registered which is probably why they sent you the email

3) even though it is not clear from the immediate response you receive from "re-registering" this will purportedly generate a return authorization and box to be sent to your address. The CS rep stated to expect followup email in 48 hours or so. That is certainly not apparent from the "thank you for registering" response you initially receive.

4) I guess we sit tight for a few days and see.
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Old 12-22-2016, 02:08 PM   #36
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A moment of silence for everyone, including me, that was just a "tester" for the first generation MCX........
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If you have an MCX with an Eotech, will it go nuclear?
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On hold for 20 min. They want me to send in the entire rifle. They are also requesting my tax stamp for the SBR. Interesting that they are going to change to the updated trigger. my Geissele trigger is new. I hope they don't swap it out and keep the old one. I hope they swap triggers and let me keep the old one. Id rather sell it than give it up.
Don't you also have to notify the ATF if you send the SBR out of state?

EDIT: I think you are ok without a form 5320-20 or Form 5, as long as Sig doesn't keep it for months. As you stated, Sig wants a Form 1 or 4 for NFS proof.

The following is straight from the NFA Handbook (pg 60):

Section 9.5 Conveyances of NFA firearms not treated as “transfers” under the NFA
9.5.1 Repair of firearms. ATF does not consider the temporary conveyance of an NFA firearm to an
FFL for repair to be a “transfer” under the NFA. Thus, a transfer application is not required to convey
the firearm for repair or to return the repaired firearm to its owner/possessor. Nevertheless, in order to
avoid any appearance that a “transfer” has taken place, ATF recommends that a Form 5 application be
submitted for approval prior to conveying the firearm for repair. It is also recommended that the FFL
making repairs obtain an approved Form 5 to return a repaired firearm. If Forms 5 are not used to
convey a firearm for repair or return the repaired firearm to the owner, the parties should maintain
documentation showing that the conveyance was for purposes of repair, identifying the firearm, and
showing the anticipated time for repair. Approved Forms 5, or the recommended documentation, will
show that an unlawful “transfer” did not take place and that the FFL making the repairs is not in
unlawful possession of the firearm. A non-FFL who proposes to transport a destructive device,
machinegun, or short-barrel shotgun or rifle interstate to an FFL for repair should first obtain an
approved ATF Form 5320.20 before transporting the firearm.170
9.5.1.1 Repair of firearm silencers. ATF published FAQs on April 17, 2008, regarding the
repair and replacement of silencers and silencer components. These FAQs are published on the
ATF website and are included in Appendix B.

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I'm just telling you what I was told. He implied they do have an updated SSA.
I called and was told the same thing. According to Sig Customer Service they are working directly with Giessele and supposedly Sig will replace the Giessele SSA with a new Giessele trigger assembly that is compatible with the new Gen2 Bolt Carrier group. I am not going to be a happy camper if they put in a standard Sig MCX trigger, because it is horrible, which is why I spent the money and put the Giessele in it is the first place.
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I got one too even though I do not own an MCX.
They sent the same email to me twice today,
I will never have nor ever will own an MCX..........
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Don't you also have to notify the ATF if you send the SBR out of state?

EDIT: I think you are ok without a form 5320-20 or Form 5, as long as Sig doesn't keep it for months. As you stated, Sig wants a Form 1 or 4 for NFS proof.

The following is straight from the NFA Handbook (pg 60):

Section 9.5 Conveyances of NFA firearms not treated as “transfers” under the NFA
9.5.1 Repair of firearms. ATF does not consider the temporary conveyance of an NFA firearm to an
FFL for repair to be a “transfer” under the NFA. Thus, a transfer application is not required to convey
the firearm for repair or to return the repaired firearm to its owner/possessor. Nevertheless, in order to
avoid any appearance that a “transfer” has taken place, ATF recommends that a Form 5 application be
submitted for approval prior to conveying the firearm for repair. It is also recommended that the FFL
making repairs obtain an approved Form 5 to return a repaired firearm. If Forms 5 are not used to
convey a firearm for repair or return the repaired firearm to the owner, the parties should maintain
documentation showing that the conveyance was for purposes of repair, identifying the firearm, and
showing the anticipated time for repair. Approved Forms 5, or the recommended documentation, will
show that an unlawful “transfer” did not take place and that the FFL making the repairs is not in
unlawful possession of the firearm. A non-FFL who proposes to transport a destructive device,
machinegun, or short-barrel shotgun or rifle interstate to an FFL for repair should first obtain an
approved ATF Form 5320.20 before transporting the firearm.170
9.5.1.1 Repair of firearm silencers. ATF published FAQs on April 17, 2008, regarding the
repair and replacement of silencers and silencer components. These FAQs are published on the
ATF website and are included in Appendix B.
Customer Service told me that they would return my Giessele when they return the rifle. I am going to use it in a new AR build. It saves me a little money, because I love my Giessele trigger.
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Old 12-22-2016, 02:50 PM   #42
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I don't have an MCX, but my 2 cents is that at least Sig seems to has done the right thing by owning up to a potential safety hazard and issued a recall. It's seems like they are making it as painless as possible for the customer.

I would say if you liked your MCX before this happened, you will still have the same experience after you get it back (hopefully).

It's not like Eotech, where L-3 blatantly covered up defects to their users until they got caught defrauding the government.
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Old 12-22-2016, 03:31 PM   #43
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I personally had my MCX 300 blkout discharge while loading from an open bolt.
I find it interesting that in the email sent, it is stated that they have "not reported in the field" of this happening. As soon as it happened, I was on the phone with Sig CS and returned it to them.
Then posted on this site to see if anyone else had this issue.
My serial number does not fall within the numbers posted in the email. So I called CS and told them this. I was told to register again and it would be taken care of.
I will wait. No worries here.
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Old 12-22-2016, 03:39 PM   #44
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Any verifications yet about this firing pin retaining pin? Whether it's really "immobile" (Welded/pinned/peened) or just "captive" (retained)?
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Retained says it in an earlier post #11
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