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Sig Sauer says No More Bayonet Lugs on Sig Sauer Rifles!

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#1 ·
Hmm, apparently some knucklehead at Sig Sauer decided that we dont need bayonet lugs on our Sig Sauer rifles anymore!
As if having the bayonet lug on there in the first place hurt anything nor did it interfere with anything, its just a stupid move to remove them and seems a bit feinstein/mcarthy/schumerish imho.

So now all new production Sig Sauer rifles will no longer use the gas/piston blocks with the bayonet lug attached, solid deal breaker for me as some of it is just the principle of the matter. I am done and switching to Colt as that is just bs, now I cant use any bayonet lug attachments purchased.

Not only do the Sig Sauer rifles now look completely neutered there will be no more attaching several components via the bayonet lug and so if you have purchased these items like I have they are now rendered worthless.

What a let down for no reason, thanks Sig Sauer way to go.
And to add to that Sig Sauer also dumped the very highly anticipated Sig Sauer 716 Precision Marksman rifle too.....
 
#4 ·
Exactly. They need to make no-bayonet versions to sell in certain states. Now instead of having two different SKUs per design they have one. The savings from SKU reduction will outpace any loss of sales by people who are offended.

Which isn't to say the OP is wrong in his opinion... if that's the way you feel, that's the way you feel. Just personally I wouldn't let the loss of a feature I never wanted or needed affect my buying decisions.
 
#5 ·
Doggonit.

Now they'll have to remove "Tomato Stake" from the feature list on the ad slicks...

Seriously, tho, I guess there are some accessories that depend on the bayolug. That would be a downer.
 
#6 ·
The bayonet is the last concern, you guys didnt read the whole post apparently.
The problem here is that there are a lot of other attachments besides bayonets that attach rock solid to the bayonet lug and function great leaving the rails open for other things.
And if you purchased these and have a pretty good investment in them then they are now rendered useless thats all.

Other than that its also a step in wrong direction for the brady gun control crowd as well and whether it was meant to be that or not I dont know.
Anyway its just bs and wouldnt harm anything or make production any more difficult then just to leave it there.
 
#10 ·
Anyway its just bs and wouldnt harm anything or make production any more difficult then just to leave it there.
Except that's incorrect and it does affect both production and price. It creates liability in case the company accidentally ships the wrong one to a state where it's banned.

I remember at both Beretta and SIG the amount of time & money that was spent making sure that only CA-legal guns could ship to CA, only NY-legal guns could ship to NY, MA-compliant, MD-compliant, and on and on.

There mere existence of a SKU adds cost to the entire product line. It's sometimes worth it -- which is why we have Rainbow Brite SIGs -- but you don't add more SKUs than you absolutely need to. Think about it this way: suppose SIG decides to start putting a different firing pin in its 5.56 carbines. Someone has to go in and change the configuration for every single 5.56 carbine SKU and verify that it's done properly or the system comes to a halt the next time there's supposed to be a build of the 5.56 they forgot to change and there are no more of the (outdated) parts on hand.

Again please don't think I'm telling you that you're wrong to have your opinion and obviously you should only buy guns you want from companies you want. I'm just trying to provide some perspective on why companies may be making these kinds of decisions. It's easy to say "don't sell to California!" but California probably buys more SIG rifles than any other three states combined. It's always easy to tell someone else to make less money for your beliefs than it is for a company employing over a thousand people to turn away sales.
 
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#7 · (Edited)
Light/Laser attachments, Bipod attachments, accessory rail attachments, foregrip attachments, etc and not the cheap junk either but were rather expensive, imho obviously its just a stupid move for many reasons and they should have just let it alone.

Why should pro Constitution States have to come under un-Constitutional State rules just so everybody can get something thats ridiculous.
What they should have done is refuse to sell to any un-Constitutional State rather than cave to greed over eithics.
 
#9 ·
I have to admit, it was the appearance of the foregrip + folding sight + gas block (with the bayonet lug) and its overall aesthetic which drew me to the 516 and 716 rifles - as well as the price / feature ratio.

The absence of the bayonet lugs does give the appearance of the rifle being "neutered" somewhat, and I'm not partial to the new foregrip design...
 
#12 ·
I agree with all of you, And individual points, However this is one more thing were giving up. One more step in the direction of making some liberal happy. Next will be flash hiders and then the pistol grip. Company's are going to do what it takes to sell their rifles period. But instead of say well f*ck Sig Sauer we should be saying F*ck it this is the last straw and Vote and protest and take our country back by ANY Legal means necessary. They don't have the last word we do. Im really feeling this big time being from Kolorado a once free State. There are company's out there threatening to not send there products to our state . We the people of this State did not make these laws, Our Leaders did, And by God we will see to it they no longer have a job because of it. But its not the company's fault its OUR fault. If WE don't start doing something its all going to hell in a hurry. Im giving it until the Elections of 2014 if we don't take this State back Im the hell out of here. Move out of the States that don't support your beliefs. See if a bunch of welfare people can keep a State a float. And work and pay taxes in a State that will take care of you. Another words put YOUR money where your mouth is.
 
#13 ·
Our ForeFathers would ridicule us for NOT 'doing anything' besides words.
Now words are fine at first but obviously words alone are NOT going to ever fix this and agree or disagree the only thing that will ever fix our Republic and set it right is a 2nd Civil War.

Hence the quote:
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. by Thomas Jefferson

Its really too bad that we cant just half the country, the pro **** baby murdering liberals take one half and the Constitutional Bible/Gun toting conservatives take the other.
Of course that will never happen though and the liberals are in every State, city and town and it all comes down to which group has more #'s, but eventually there probably will be a Civil War.

Washington didnt use the 1st Amendment against the British, he used the 2nd Amendment and shot them.
Sic semper tyrannis
 
#15 ·
Yeah its kind-of a moot point and all, however as stated its the principle of the matter really as well as 2A-RKBA as well.
If you really care then voice your disdain to Sig Sauer as enough complaints will at least get their attention and hopefully change their mind..... Stranger things have happened and it wouldnt be the first time something like this has brought about actual good change.

Call Sig Sauer at their U.S. Headquarters
Phone: 603-610-3000
and tell them what you think about their very bad decision to remove all the bayonet lugs from all rifles.
As was already stated, whats next flash hiders, pistol grips, etc.....and dont forget to mention SigTalk.
 
#16 ·
Its the subtle, quiet unmentioned ground takers like this that will ultimately undermine our Rights not the big show stopper dramatics put on in DC down for show so they can try and keep their crooked *** tax swindling jobs.

Its just a bayonet lug here and a Right there, a comprise or 2 and pretty soon more companies start to do the same.
Then the anti-gun lobbyists realizing their chance further their efforts with that foot-hold having firearm companies unknowingly but stupidly supporting them and before you know it we have no rights and no guns, etc.

Its the new unorder/disorder of the unlaw of the unland and that would be that and it would be done, no more Republic and then I guess any remnants of us is jailed, shot or hung.
 
#20 ·
Thanks, no it certainly cant hurt but could very well help and possibly change their direction back to 2A where it belongs.
If everyone flooded Sig Sauer's customer service several times with complaints I would almost guarantee that it would at least certainly come under some scrutiny by management to perhaps rethink it.

Perhaps Malicious Compliance might get the word out to other members to help out.

Call Sig Sauer at their U.S. Headquarters
Phone: 603-610-3000
and tell them what you think about their very bad decision to remove all the bayonet lugs from all rifles.
As was already stated, whats next flash hiders, pistol grips, etc.....and dont forget to mention SigTalk.
 
#26 ·
Only trolling smart asses that cant comprehend the english language, but relish in their own stupid juvenile attempts to sling insults and apparently who dont support 2A without compromise, go join the gun-grabbers then.

It is galactically stupid for Sig Sauer, a respected and supposed pro-gun company to suddenly turn and inadvertently supporting the left anti-gun brady bunch even in the smallest manner and its not for budget constraints as that is just nonsense.
 
#25 ·
If someone manufactured them, could they be easily added to a rifle?
My M400 doesn't have one and I'm not particularly interested. Just curious.
 
#29 ·
After seeing the 2014 catalog where they have dropped a large number of models of handguns, I'm inclined to believe it is a cost-cutting measure for them for civilian sales. But I could be wrong.
 
#34 ·
I honestly dont feel right supporting a company that thinks its okay to take away even the smallest part of my rights. Yes even in the form of a bayonet lug as that may be just the start of compromise and then its not for me, believe what you want.
You see what I have been trying to explain is that its the principle of the matter not the bayonet lug itself and has nothing to do tin foil, smart asses, budgets or otherwise, imho.

If you give people an edge then they will keep going with it and their own agenda for whatever reason, as someone already pointed out, so where does it stop.
Honestly do you really think that bayonet lugs are really that expensive especially on machines already tooled to manufacture them that way.

So I guess that I am just different from everyone then and if thats what it takes to be a non-compromised supporter of 2A-RKBA then good.
 
#42 ·
Please explain to me the function of the bayonet lug in propelling a bullet down the barrel of the firearm. I will then concede that it has an effect on your rights under the 2nd Amendment.

If it has no such function, then it is cosmetic. And it is ridiculous to ban cosmetic components on a firearm, I agree- but it also has no, repeat NO, bearing on the Constitution. This argument was already had once, when the "Brady Bill" was in effect.

For that matter, magazine capacity- pistol grip- collapsing/folding stock- NONE of these are crucial to the operation of the firearm, and while I do not agree with New York or Colorado's recent laws (in fact, I do believe that NY State's law is unconstitutional and I am waiting to see some court rulings), I also don't feel threatened by any ban on purely cosmetic features- so long as this applies only to new imports/manufacture, just as the Brady bill did. (That's why I believe NY's law is unconstitutional, it outlaws currently owned, currently-legal firearms- unlike Brady, which didn't outlaw any gun that was already in the country & on the shelves.)

You don't have an "uncompromised" right to own firearms under the Constitution, if by that you mean "unregulated". Generations of the Supreme Court have recognized that firearm ownership is subject to restriction. For instance, private citizens could not own cannon in the 1800s, nor can we own select-fire squad automatic weapons today (at least without heavy licensing fees and procedures). Almost every state that allows concealed carry requires training and licensing. At one time it was illegal to carry a concealed handgun; open carry was the standard. We don't allow convicted felons and those who were involuntarily committed to own guns; nor can minors buy guns. Firearms are among the most heavily regulated objects in the nation, befitting that they are expressly made to kill. So you can see that the "cosmetic feature" bans in some states are just an extension of already-existing traditions- and would still be Federal law if the Brady Bill had not sunset in 2004.

As for your point about accessory mounts that fit the lug- I assume you bought these because you already have a rifle with a bayonet lug, yes? So does SIG's decision take that away from you?

Not trolling, just sayin'......
 
#37 ·
Couldn't one just replace the gas block with one that still had a bayonet lug. Or does Sig have proprietary gas blocks? Just saying that's all.
 
#38 · (Edited)
OP:

Todd wasn't arguing w/ you. He was laying out the logistical nightmare that maintaining myriad different models can be, made more so in light of the legal mess that can happen in the event of a mistake.

"SIG Ships Illegal Assault Rifles to California" sounds like a wonderful headline for USAToday, doesn't it?

As I said in my first post, I understand your practical concern.

As far as expecting a company to maintain a lump of metal on the bum side of a barrel merely to make a political point, well, you and I and others...maybe Todd included...might agree that we think it would be quite the stand to take, but...gun companies are in it to make $$, not bayonet lugs.

And especially now, they need as few legal hassles as possible.

I get your concern, tho.

ETA: It is a curious issue... ArmaLite just made available a pin-on FSB for AR10's that...fancy that...sports a bayonet lug.

I just had ADCO install one on my AR10, as I did not like the bolt-on-Picatinny sight abortion that came stock with the rifle. Now that you mention it, I just might make a bolo for trail-clearing with an AR-compatible dovetail, just for kicks. If anybody has a scrapped-out M7 bayon I can cannibalize the mechanism from, send me a PM.

 
#40 ·
Wow rhipster!! I'm drooling...

All I got is a pile of files and a bench vise...time and and elbow grease...

But the OP has the mental gears turning...

 
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