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716 vs. M1A Scout Squad, which one?

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#1 ·
I am looking at getting an M1A Scout Squad, but have been considering the 716. Can anyone familiar with both the M1A and 716, give me some feedback?

Since I don't know of anyone with a 716, I can't get any idea of the accuracy of them at 100 - 600 yds. I haven't shot a Scout squad either, just going off of experience with actual M14 and M21 from my Navy days....

Steve
 
#27 ·
I agree, SF was nice and lots of good places to eat and things to do, just can't drive anywhere, everything was expensive and crowded. Lol, I know, it is hard to live somewhere like that.
There are a lot of horses in some parts of the state, others not much so much. That's when you see steer, either that or concrete and glass cities. :)

How's that rifle treating you? My local shop can't seem to find me a LR-260 that I am wanting to get, I may have to look out of state or at the least out of town.
 
#28 ·
Piperman

I'm not much for heat, okay, I love winter, but wait, hold on, I can compromise, at least for visits and vacations, if the people are nice and their way of life suits me. Texans, I have found, are great people and real Americans. I can't say that about the people in the Bay area. You all know how to put out a good spread for hungry folks too. I always come back with my manners improved too and I think that is great.
 
#29 ·
I understand about the heat, I was born and raised in Ohio, until I was 15 I never knew heat. :) We moved to Texas on my 15th birthday, I had to get used to the heat in the middle of summer with 98% humidity. That was rough. I know what you mean, the Bay area is like NYC to me, I've been to both and enjoyed visiting, but people can be rude and obnoxious, not as much in SF but still, not like home. I am glad to be back here.

I got a Savage Model 11 in .260 Remington, I decided since I couldn't get my DPMS, I would get a long range rifle for precision. I can't wait until it gets here to try it out. I need to get some glass for it though. :( That's probably more than the rifle.

How is 716 treating you? I still want one. :)
 
#30 ·
I must have missed this post,

I got the chance to handle a socom II at the store prior to buying my Sig 716, it seemed like a solid gun but was a bit heavy on the front side. I imagine that the mag with some rounds in it would balance it out a bit. It gave me the impression that you could wield it as a battle axe if you ran out of ammo. I didn't go with it for two reasons, one it was that ugly zebra stripped cammo that was made for zoo keepers and two the price was over 2 grand.

I also really wanted to handle the FNAR but couldn't find one. Since they say it's action is based off the BAR and that is my all time favorite gun I thought it would be a great addition to the collection. Alas a no go, but I did get to handle the SCAR 17S and it is lightest and most balanced of the three, if I could have afforded it I would have bought it. I don't know how it would have done hunting though.

The sig 716 is a bit front heavy without the loaded mag, but balances nicely (to me anyway) when it has a full mag. A hair lighter than the socom and noticably heavier than the SCAR, don't know about the FNAR, but a darn nice looking gun! Requires a little extra work as far as dissasembly, cleaning and lubing but so far a great gun.

SOCOM II 10 lbs
FNAR heavy barrel 10 lbs light barrel 9 lbs
SIG 716 9.3lbs
SCAR 8.2lbs
 
#31 ·
Yes, they are some heavy rifles, considering that most of them are/were MBRs, they had to hold up. I thought the FNAR looked like a good choice too. I just don't like the way that FN makes their new guns, everything is pretty much sealed up, can't get to the fire controls on any thing, even to just clean the action up. The SCAR would have probably been great for hunting if your state allows it. I still like the design of the Sig, because let's face it, not many of us can afford a SR-25. :)

Right now, I'm stuck with a M4 and a bolt action .308 and .260 Remington. I may build or buy a .308 semi soon though. Also going to build a .260 in a semi.
 
#32 · (Edited)
I just don't like the way that FN makes their new guns, everything is pretty much sealed up, can't get to the fire controls on any thing, even to just clean the action up. The SCAR would have probably been great for hunting if your state allows it. I still like the design of the Sig, because let's face it, not many of us can afford a SR-25. :)

Right now, I'm stuck with a M4 and a bolt action .308 and .260 Remington. I may build or buy a .308 semi soon though. Also going to build a .260 in a semi.
I agree! I also don't like that everthying on the SCAR is proprietary to FN like the mags. I bet that .260 is accurate and that semi auto will be too! I also hope sig will come out with a barrel to convert the 716 into a 6.5mm capable gun.
 
#33 ·
Exactly, I like FN, but like you said everything is proprietary, you couldn't even replace the fire control systems on them, if you wanted to. I hope so, out of the box I expect it will do .5 - .75 MOA, I may rebarrel it to get .3-.5 MOA. 1000 yds that is a big deal. :)
I think the semi will be, I am looking at making it a DMR type rifle. It would be nice to find a barrel for the 716 in a 6.5mm round, I don't know if anyone has one yet. Only seen them for AR10 and DPMS platforms.
 
#36 ·
SigLars

Califronia depends on what you like. Many people like the temperate coastal climate but not the unending crowds and cost. Their anti-2nd Amendment culture, among other enthusiasms, the plastic superficial nature of way too many girls, I didn't say all, and more, was too much for me.
 
#39 ·
I got used to it somewhat being in So. Cal while serving in the Navy, also lived in No. Cal for a while too. My favorite place was Carmel, and Monterey, that's about it.
There is a lot of fake and superficial **** there. Unfortunately the 2nd Amendment took a big hit with that school yard shooting in the 80's. I lived in Long Beach and had an ffl even, could get anything and shoot anything. After that shooting with some nut job and an AK type rifle, Feinstein put a stop to all of the normal things, and of course went all alarmist. Now you have the crazy stuff that you have today. It has gotten progressively worse. It's too bad.
 
#45 ·
I agree it is a good medium range rifle. A couple things to check, clean the barrel. Check the mounting screws on your rail they may have come loose. Also then check the mount on th Aimpoint to make sure it isn't shifting from recoil. Also you may want to try different weight bullets, I usually start with 168 gr, then 179, 150, or 148.

Just different things to check, you never know.

I hope that helps.
 
#46 ·
For clarification

What would you all consider "medium range?" For me, at my age and stage in life, unsighted that is about 100 yards. If I scoped my 716, which is not likely at this time, my guess would be out to 300 yards. Does that sound about right? What type of accuracy could I expect at 100 yards, bench rested, but through the open sights? With a scope?
 
#47 ·
I would say medium range on that rifle in .308 is about 400-600 yds. Picks up where the effective range of the 5.56 starts dropping off.

I'm getting my .260 next week hopefully, also going to be getting a .338 LM bolt action too, for even longer ranges.

If you want to shoot open sights with that one, benchrested I would expect you could with the right ammo, get 1 MOA from it.

Steve
 
#48 ·
Piperman

Conceding that no doubt the 716 is more accurate than my ability to shoot it, I'll take that in a heartbeat. I have some match ammo, 168 grain bthp's as soon as I get a chance to wring it out. The way things are doing, with deer season coming up, it may be Christmas break. I don't mind sitting outside all day in freezing weather. I just think of something warm for lunch. Hey, a bowl of authentic Texas chile. That's the ticket.
 
#49 ·
I think those should do well in that rifle, I may be wrong, but I haven't found a whole lot that they didn't work well in. I know, not going to be able to go hunting this year, I don't know anyone with land here or a lease.

That will keep you warm for sure. :)
 
#50 ·
You read my mind

Tell me about it and then tell me again. When I lived in Maryland, I hunted all over the place. From 1980 to 1990, I lived in California. I kept telling (bragging?) to everyone about all the hunting I was going to do once I moved to Missouri. My gosh, large state, 5 million people, what could go wrong? Boy was I in for a rude awakening. Oh sure, there is plenty of "public" land and people get lucky. But so much of it is leased these days that I have spent exactly 'O' days deer hunting the past 10+ years...
 
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