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716 vs. M1A Scout Squad, which one?

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#1 ·
I am looking at getting an M1A Scout Squad, but have been considering the 716. Can anyone familiar with both the M1A and 716, give me some feedback?

Since I don't know of anyone with a 716, I can't get any idea of the accuracy of them at 100 - 600 yds. I haven't shot a Scout squad either, just going off of experience with actual M14 and M21 from my Navy days....

Steve
 
#2 ·
Just my two cents

I ordered a Springfield Scout Squad back in March and it has not arrived. My FFL cannot get even a ball park...December, January, March? for it and he went through 3 distributors. I sold an AR10 to finance the Scout, read some negatives about its function, couldn't see why I was paying so much for a gun whose receiver (don't know about the barrel) is made by Imbel of Brazil, and had a chance to get a SIG716 for the same price. I went with the SIG.
 
#3 ·
I found one at my LGS with black stock on it for 1300. It also has the Springfield receiver mounted scope mount on it and 3 mags. Was thinking of getting it, because I can't find any other 7.62x51 (.308) semi autos around.

Steve
 
#5 ·
I thought that it was pretty good, only has 60 rounds through it, was a Police Officers squad car rifle, then they were told that they couldn't carry those, had to be m4 rifles.

I like the Socom, but I don't see the need for a 16" barrel on a .308, not to mention they are loud. I felt this was a happy medium. Just not sure it is as accurate or as good of a rifle as the DPMS LR308 or the Sig 716. I don't think Imbel makes bad products though, as I shoot the SA 1911s all day long.

Steve
 
#6 ·
Piperman

From what I've seen, lack of availability, high asking prices, your deal is really good. Once the election is over, and probably depending on who wins, the buying frenzy may calm down and supply catch up with demand. The only reason I sold my Armalite AR10A2 to my brother was he liked it more than I did, it is kind of long and heavy, and I wanted something else. I thought the Scout Squad would be a great compromise. But, after going on seven months now, I got tired of waiting. I have a feeling I'll really like the 716 though.
 
#7 ·
I know, it's that way with everything anymore. Ammo, parts, reloading supplies, guns.... you name it, can't find anything. The Scout Squad may be a good one to have though, it's just that I read that the M1A is about a 1-2 MOA rifle and the LR308 is a 1 MOA rifle out of the box.
The M1A is good at what it is, a MBR. So who knows, it may be good for range work.

Steve
 
#9 ·
I've handled a friends 2 M1A's (one with the bullpup kit and one without) great guns very accurate, but personally I'd get the Sig just more available (and I'm thinking lighter).
 
#10 ·
I love the M1A series, but like many have said before, it can be a little hard to find. Here in maine my friends havent had any problems getting a hold of a SOCOM, or the original wood stock model, maybe having to wait a couple weeks max. After shooting it I really did like it, but then my dads friend bought an FNAR, anyone can tell you that rifle is ******* unbelievable.
 
#12 ·
What I've been told

The people I've spoken with love the M1A and Scout Squad model. Again, this is just my experience, but many of them talk about getting it for the range, for plinking and so forth. They complain about the recoil, the muzzle flip and especially muzzle blast. There were some other complaints about function that had to be worked out but were minor. I took all that into account and the fact that I was looking for a you know what hits the fan rifle. Both probably fit that profile but the AR platform is more adaptable. For me it came down to availability and price. I had an Armalite AR10A2 that was a bit long and cumbersome. The Scout Squad fit better but $1650 for a rifle whose receiver is made by Imbel of Brazil versus the same price for a SIG 716? I had to go with the SIG. That and having waited for 7 going on 8 months with no end in site... Having said that, I still may get a Scout Squad but I'll wait until next year when the election gun buying frenzy has subsided.
 
#13 ·
I don't see that the recoil is going to be an issue, it is a gas operated rifle, maybe they were used to an AR in 5.56. Muzzle blast is more so with that brake on the SOCOM and Scout, I may change it out to a more "traditional" flash suppressor I suppose. My experience was the opposite, this is available to me, where as the FNAR and 716 have not been. I guess I should go ahead with this one, the only thing that I don't like is that the SAGE stock is $730, well it isn't just a stock but just the same the AR platform I can change out parts quite easily.
 
#14 ·
Piperman

That's good news. I did shoot an M14 back in the late 70s in a place called Quantico, Virginia. It was wood and we shot prone and seated. I don't remember the recoil being bad and back then I only weighed 158 pounds. My Armalite had a sharp recoil. Part of the problem was my fault. I was bench rest shooting it and kept hitting the space where the bicep meets the shoulder. Shooting standing wasn't as bad. The shoulder and elbow operations have not helped in that department. I am really excited about the 716 but, down the road, I might try with the Scout Squad again. Oh, I'll keep the Sig though.
 
#15 ·
For Bohner69

That is great they could get them so fast. My FFL had them on order with 3 distributors including Davidson's in Arizona and no luck. I understand SA ships them to the biggest distributors first and then down the line to the smallest. If not for the election, I might have had one. Does Maine get as cold as its reputation? I'm one of those rare people who loves winter and holds an annual death to summer party. My calendar has three season: fall, winter, fall. Here in Missouri, it gets real hot and they don't have much of a winter but it beats the no winters I went through in California.
 
#16 ·
Oh, I know where you live, we have friends in Blue Springs and the surrounding area. We lived in Omaha for a while, got tired of the winters and moved down here last year. We used to go to the KC Irish Fest every year, and also go to Weston for a getaway. :)
 
#17 ·
Piperman

I had to chuckle. I am actually a winter person and was complaing about the lack of winter. Oh well, what do I know. It has really grown up around here the past 10 years. I have been trying to talk my wife into moving out a bit further but no luck. She says I can buy some land (woods of course), put up a cabin. and go there on weekends. That would be great. Now if only I had the money. Weston is nice for some of their festivals. Still the same. I have found the people in Oklahoma to be very nice.
 
#18 ·
Well, you know it is pretty windy and cold in Omaha, I think more so than KC, but you guys get more of the wet stuff than Omaha.

I know what you mean, I have been wanting to do that same thing, you know my wife said the same thing, I said with what? She says well that's up to you. :)

We loved going to Weston and staying at the B&Bs and going to O'Malley's.
Oh well. I lived in Tulsa for a bit, but didn't really get to know too many people.
 
#19 ·
This sometimes works

First it was Y2K. I leveraged that to get my wife to "allow" me to buy a .22 rifle and a shotgun. Unfortunately I got busted when I forgot to take the Marlin .30-30 out of the trunk of her car after I bought it at K-Mart. The current "fear" over America's economic situation has helped a little as well. She knows I can't stand living in cities. I lived in Baltimore, Philadelphia, and the Bay Area of California so I know crowded. So, she has signed off on me buying land, maybe near St. Joe, but the hang up is, of course, money ha ha. San Antonio? Wow. Get's hot there. My parents live in Mineral Wells and I have a daughter at Texas A&M. From what I've seen, really nice people in Texas. I went to a diner and ordered breakfast this past June and forgot I was in Texas. Many do they feed you down there. Good stuff.
 
#20 ·
I was also in Bay Area around 2000. We are looking, but like you said, money.
Yes, it gets hot here, very. But it's really nice, everyone is friendly. I grew up in S.E. Texas, so it's not too bad to me. Yes you can get good food and lots of it.
 
#23 ·
Piperman

I'm a winter lover and, at the risk of stepping on toes, have been in some states that have the weather I like but the people didn't seem that friendly. I am always impressed when I visit Texas and people are so mannerly and friendly. I even have a big ole "Don't Mess With Texas" coffee cup and some Texas T-shirts (Babe's chicken). If the climate may be a bit hot, I'll still be an ambassador for Texas and Texans. I did not like the Bay area at all. Not my kind of people to say the least. When they found out I was originally from Maryland, they started in with the hayseed jokes (obviously they never have been to Maryland). When they found out I had once lived in Missouri, oh boy. I always liked meeting people from other places but, and I'm generalizing a little bit, seemed to want to look down on and offend people not from the Bay area. I worked for the City of Palo Alto, next to Stanford University. My bosses said listening to Country & Western as the same as belonging to the Klan. What?! And they sure didn't like my 66 Plymouth Sport Fury 440 4-bbl. Friends wouldn't park near me and my girlfriend's family (at the time) asked me not to park that old American car in their driveway. It clashed with their Volvos and Audis. Okay, now I'm getting into a rant. Sorry about that. Anyway, I got the rifle today and I'm grinning from ear to ear.
 
#25 ·
It can be. I know what you mean, as I moved there from way of Tulsa.... 'nuff said.
I would have loved that car, but considering where you were, I know what the connotation was for it. :)

I'm glad your rifle came in, sounds like a fun weekend for you. Did you see what I eventually ordered?
 
#26 ·
Piperman

I never cared for the Bay area. It was too crowded, too expensive, and I found the people to be pretty uppity. I worked for the City and dealt with residents of Palo Alto daily. Oh boy. If someone said they were from Missouri, they'd let lose with a flurry of jokes about hayseeds and hillbillies. I told them I was from Maryland but it didn't matter. They aren't very good with geography. I worked for an anti-gun boss in an anti-gun city and they made my life tough. I was so happy to leave and never looked back. I was telling some friends that in Texas they measure distance by HPM (horses per mile) because I saw so many of them. Nice paint horses too.
 
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