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First SIG,last SIG

10K views 56 replies 33 participants last post by  yupyeahwhateva 
#1 · (Edited)
Okay so I bought my first SIG. A 716 certified pre owned. I took it to the range tonight and I am very disappointed. From the first single shot to the last single shot it would not cycle. I ran 3 different kinds of ammo 147,168 &175 grain all with the same issue. Most times it would eject the spent round but not chamber the next . Some times it would jam and not even eject the spent casing. I've read a little on the issue and hear that they recommend frog lube or other select lubricants to correct the issue. Has anyone had this issue? Did the special lubricant work? This being my first SIG I have to say that my faith in the product line is severely damaged from this first range trip. It was probably sent back to SIG under warranty for failure to cycle issues and they shipped it out and pushed the problems off to the next buyer. Is it possible that this rifle could ever get to the point of being considered reliable after having such issues? I'm just extremely disappointed.
 
#2 ·
I don't blame you one bit. Monday morning, I'd be the first one in the phone cue when CS opens. They'll square it away for you. Document everything and send them some of your casings. Good Luck!
 
#4 ·
With it being piston driven, what settings did you try shooting it in. Aren't the 516 and the 716 adjustable? My Windham Weaponry M4 is a DI and has worked flawlessly from shot #1.
 
#9 ·
Really? You take a firearm to the range without any lube and complain when it doesn't run properly?
Try this, go pull the drain plug on your vehicle and go for a runup the interstate. How far do you think you'll get?

Your 716 is a machine with moving parts, it requires lubrication.
 
#7 ·
I recently picked up a 716 as well. First thing I did was pull it apart and clean off the gunk it ships with. Next. Frog lubed it and it functioned flawlessly. I can't say with certainty that frog lube will correct what's wrong but it certainly can't hurt. Give it a go.
 
#11 · (Edited)
Taking a new gun to the range without first breaking it down is unheard of. Never trust any new gun. FIREClean will work wonders if you can find it. Keep the bolt Glistening wet. If not PM me and I'll send you some. Or look in the NRA Store On Line, They carry it most of the time. Larue tact carries it also
 
#12 ·
I purchased a new .22 youth sized rifle for my son tonight, about 30 minutes after getting home I was cleaning the gun for our trip to the range tomorrow. I was amazed at the amount of patches I used through the barrel before it was clean. At one point I put a light through it just to see where all the gunk was coming from.
 
#14 ·
I will lube the hell out of it tonight and return to the range tomorrow morning. Of the four Colt ARs I own I never had to disassemble them and lube them up to test fire them, they come wet from the factory. I don't see how that is going to make the bolt grab and chamber the next round. Bottom line is when the bolt returns home it should grab and chamber a round. The bolt returns home but no round is chambered. So it's oil then. Ok
 
#16 · (Edited)
Don't know if it is the same cause or not, but I had same issues with my Sig716 AND a LWRC REPR. After several shooting sessions of 25 to 50 rounds with NUMEROUS failures to cycle properly and then the subsequent disassembly and luberacating, increasing lube each time to critical areas, both rifles run line a top now, no stoppages at all. Like any machine, there is a 'breaking in' period and proper lubrication is critical to function.

Also, I was shooting only reloads, 150, 168, & 190 grain weights. (Commercial ammo is too expensive) The 150's had the greatest failure rate, 168 less so, and the 190 almost none at all from the start. SOOO, I increased my powder charge 1.5 to 2 grain on the 150 & 168 and that MAY have added to the increased reliability which is now 100%.
 
#19 ·
I agree with all the advice so far. Run that bolt a little extra wet until you have a couple hundred rounds through it. Disassembled my 716 when I first got it and cleaned the hell out of it. Kept it oiled more than I normally would to get it broken in and has been running great.
 
#21 ·
Whisky, or should I say Whiskey? Why do you come here? All you do is *****. I think everyone here knows by now, you don't like Sig products, Sig Customer Service, Sig's telephone number, Sig's parking lot and probably don't like Sig-ourney Weaver either. Maybe you'd be happier on the Makarov Forum? I can only imagine how difficult it is to wake up angry at Sig every morning knowing what bad people they are.
 
#23 ·
Well I broke it down cleaned and oiled everything. Went back to the range and still has the same issue with short stroking. My gunsmith doesn't want to touch it as its under warranty for a year. So I guess it goes back to SIG. Anyone know what there turn around times are during this crazy gun climate?
 
#24 ·
Actually, since you bought it new it has a lifetime warranty since you are the original owner. Send it back. Sig will get it working or replace it.

I can't help but laugh at all of the sig hate in this thread. You can go to any gun forum right now and find problematic weapons by any manufacturer.
 
#26 ·
You can think whatever you want. The rifle I bought is SIG certified pre owned. The gunsmith thinks the gas block might be turned ever so slightly and since its pinned him driving the pins out would void my one year warranty. I belong to many forums but honestly have never been to one where they believe that a gun can't have problems and rather then using there knowledge to help they blame the operator. You guys are hilarious.
 
#28 · (Edited)
It seemed lubed well enough, and I still believe it was . I agree that is something that I should have done first, that is why I tried that rout this morning. I don't want to bash SIG but you have to admit its frustrating when you buy something and it doesn't work properly right out if the gate from being "factory certified". My gunsmith/ dealer told me not to get down on SIG and that they make a quality product. They said I will be more then happy with the gun when the problem is resolved. I admit my initial post was in frustration. I bought a two gun tactical bag for the 716 and a 556 swat my dealer has coming in. When he asked me this morning if I still wanted it my reply was "I don't know yet" I haven't ruled it out. I just need time to cool off over this initial problem. I own a Colt 6920, 6940, 6920 socom, sp1, HK 91 and 93. To imply that it is an operator issue or that I am an ignorant first time AR owner is not helpful.
 
#34 · (Edited)
I believe the majority of you kids posting about how great Sig CS is have probably never interacted with them. Many of you probably don't even own a gun. If you ever do find yourself in the unfortunate position of getting to learn about Sig CS, then post in threads like this. Until then, stay quiet and learn. Older Sigs, made in Germany and before the Cohen era, are great guns. Those made today? Just not worth the gamble. Sig CS? An absolute joke. Buy H&K if you want a high-end firearm.
 
#35 · (Edited)
Oh, I just read that it was factory certified, and edited my original post. Sorry about that.

Sig generally has great CS, and I'll bet they'll get you fixed up. A buddy of mine just bought a used P239 that looked like hell and wouldn't fire. It had a broken decocking lever and freaking wood screws in the grips. Trigger spring was missing. Sent it to Sig, they sent it back in 3 weeks looking like new and with a new set of springs. Charged him a little because the gun had obviously been tampered with, but now its 100%. So I'd say their customer service is still fine.

My last dealing with them was a couple of years ago with a used Trailside .22 that was malfunctioning. They worked on it for free and it's been 100% since.

Obviously, sometimes things may not work out as well, but I'd give them a chance at least.
 
#36 ·
1. Always wipe the grease off and apply a light coat of oil before shooting. You just got to do it. Both my 516 & 716 had enough grease in them to explain $4 a gallon gas.
2. You mentioned you're shooting reloaded ammo. It clearly states in the book shooting reloaded ammo voids a warranty. I'd leave that statement out when talking to Customer Service. Just my thought.

Btw I bought 1000 rds of 223 (pmc brand) 55 grain fmj for $505 out the door yesterday.
 
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