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Old 07-31-2020, 10:48 AM   #1
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Ammo Shortage until late 2021?

Check this article out I got today from Guns America about the long term shortage. Believable?

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/a...ast-till-2021/
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Old 07-31-2020, 10:58 AM   #2
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I think that’s a conservative estimate. The last shortage back in 2012-2013 took over a year to recover from and they were making it as fast as they could around the clock all year. With manufacturers now working shortened hours, with less staff and fewer raw materials due to covid, this is going to last a lot longer.
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Anything is possible these days. Plan for the worst, hope for the best. That's my MO.
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bummer for people that are not prepared already.
being from california getting ammo was never a given, so smart patriots have as much as they need.
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I would be surprised if it was that short of a period of time.
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Itís believable.

Last time I bought 9mm or 223 at old prices was in February.

A week or so even a few days before the protests Target Sports USA did their 50% off Gold Dot JHP sale so then it was starting to come back around.
Now with Covid rising and spotty protest and the election looming the shortage will remain.
There are so many things at play in the next 6 months and beyond.
Iíll probably wont see a case of S&B 9mm for $156 or 250 Rounds of 12 gauge 7-1/2 shot for $45 for a very long time.

Possibly if Republicans keep the WH keep the Senate win the House but Covid will still be factor if the Covid numbers keep rising and thereís no vaccine ammo will still be in short supply.


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Yes, I read that this morning.

I have been preaching for quite sometime that prices are going to skyrocket between now and the election and beyond. It is now past the point of manufacturers trying to keep up with the demand. The backorder you see posted on so many ads is not comforting because many of the big time manufacturers and distributors can not even begin to give any "ship by date" to their customers downline.

I am not backordering anything. Nada. I am pretty set on what I have and need (unless I get into another caliber). But the biggest reasons I am not backordering is, 1.) No one knows when they will be able to fill all the backorders, 2.) Some may charge my card before it actually is in stock, 3.) I don't want to count on something making it to me, 4.) and if I need it chances are I need it now.

These protests are going to keep going right up to the election in November and beyond. The crowds are going to get bigger. You will have armed militias show up and no one is going to know who's who when the shooting starts.

No matter who wins the election, it will not be resolved until 2021. The protests are only going to get more riotous, bloody, and deadly. Remember, there are 30 million out of work. They have nothing to do except riot and protests (that's also a big reason why so many are still happening with bigger crowds than expected).

Soon, if not today, their assistance and the added $600 per week is going to run out. That means 30 million additional people are going to get desperate. Break-ins, home invasions, burglaries, will soar simply to take what you have and sell it/pawn it. This, more than anything else, is driving the gun and ammo craze. People are scared.


Everyone needs to take a deep breathe, take inventory, and buy what you need today because it is going to have to last until (minimally and realistically) until spring 2021.

Ammo is not going to get cheaper. Guns are not going to get cheaper. I don't care about all the gun purchases now and how people are drooling over that market hitting the used sites. That will not happen until Summer-fall 2021.

And if the dems win? Good buy high-cap magazine (rifle and handgun), AR/AK pistols and stocks, shotguns like the Mossberg Shockwave, suppressors, limits on gun purchases per month/year, and definitely limits on Ammo.
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FYI most can buy ammo directly from Federal. Here is a link to there American Eagle pistol ammo page. They also ship free over $100.

Federal American Eagle 9MM 124 gr for $16.99 box of 50 shipped free over $100 is not a bad deal these days. If I was low on 9MM and lived in a state where Federal ships to I would jump on this.

https://www.federalpremium.com/handgun/american-eagle/

https://www.federalpremium.com/rimfire/champion/

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Due to state restrictions, Federal does not sell or ship ammunition to the states of Alaska, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, New York or Washington D.C.

Ammunition sales to New Jersey residents are restricted to shotshell and centerfire rifle ammunition only.

Ammunition components are not available to residents of Massachusetts or Washington D.C.

Shipping is not available to P.O. boxes, international, or APO/FPO addresses.

Must be eighteen (18) years of age or older to purchase rifle or shotgun ammunition as defined by federal law. Must be twenty-one (21) years of age or older to purchase handgun ammunition as defined by federal law.

Check the local laws of your area for any other laws or regulations before ordering.

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I think thatís a conservative estimate. The last shortage back in 2012-2013 took over a year to recover from and they were making it as fast as they could around the clock all year. With manufacturers now working shortened hours, with less staff and fewer raw materials due to covid, this is going to last a lot longer.
Of course it took that long - with people buying 10k rounds or more at a time, no wonder it runs out.

Doesn't leave any left for the rest of us who can't buy in bulk like that.
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Soon, if not today, their assistance and the added $600 per week is going to run out. That means 30 million additional people are going to get desperate. Break-ins, home invasions, burglaries, will soar simply to take what you have and sell it/pawn it. This, more than anything else, is driving the gun and ammo craze. People are scared.

Who is their assistance?

Do you actually think people on unemployment will commit crimes?

There are a lot of people in the entertainment industry gig workers who are on unemployment. Iím a self employed gig worker and have been since 1989. I donít plan on committing crimes. Thereís been nothing like in 100 years that has affected my business. I had massive amounts of income wiped out in less than a day because of the Covid shutdown.

Jesus man I would love to be on the road again touring and playing festivals and concert halls or even small venues in my hometown. Iíve been on the road for 31 years.

My whole business for 31 years is based on crowds. How many people can get in one room or a festival. Everything as far as live performance is shutdown for the foreseeable future and itís not because of protest is because of Covid.

The gun and ammo craze started because of Covid and got worse due to the protests and civil unrest.



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FYI most can buy ammo directly from Federal. Here is a link to there American Eagle pistol ammo page. They also ship free over $100.

Federal American Eagle 9MM 124 gr for $16.99 box of 50 shipped free over $100 is not a bad deal these days. If I was low on 9MM and lived in a state where Federal ships to I would jump on this.

https://www.federalpremium.com/handgun/american-eagle/

https://www.federalpremium.com/rimfire/champion/

However:

RESTRICTIONS
Due to state restrictions, Federal does not sell or ship ammunition to the states of Alaska, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, New York or Washington D.C.

Ammunition sales to New Jersey residents are restricted to shotshell and centerfire rifle ammunition only.

Ammunition components are not available to residents of Massachusetts or Washington D.C.

Shipping is not available to P.O. boxes, international, or APO/FPO addresses.

Must be eighteen (18) years of age or older to purchase rifle or shotgun ammunition as defined by federal law. Must be twenty-one (21) years of age or older to purchase handgun ammunition as defined by federal law.

Check the local laws of your area for any other laws or regulations before ordering.
Looked on the federal site for 380 on the site. Out of stock. So there are some calibers that have become hard to find at least at a resonable price.
I have seen 380 at over $60 fmj 50 rounds.
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Who is their assistance?

Do you actually think people on unemployment will commit crimes?

There are a lot of people in the entertainment industry gig workers who are on unemployment. I’m a self employed gig worker and have been since 1989. I don’t plan on committing crimes. There’s been nothing like in 100 years that has affected my business. I had massive amounts of income wiped out in less than a day because of the Covid shutdown.

Jesus man I would love to be on the road again touring and playing festivals and concert halls or even small venues in my hometown. I’ve been on the road for 31 years.

My whole business for 31 years is based on crowds. How many people can get in one room or a festival. Everything as far as live performance is shutdown for the foreseeable future and it’s not because of protest is because of Covid.

The gun and ammo craze started because of Covid and got worse due to the protests and civil unrest.
I read his post and and as a career long gig economy worker, I tend to agree with both points of view to certain degrees. Look folks, I think the rush to purchase firearms and ammo is multi-fold and some parts of that might not actually sit well some on here and that is life.

Personally I am not party affiliated to one side or the other, so I don't play the blame game and find all it does is plant seeds of hopelessness for me. But I think the concern for a large uptick in unrest is there and growing and it is the conduct of both sides that concern me so after not feeling the need to own a firearm since I left LA in 1994, I now own them again and with 1K in SD ammo and 5K in FMJ practice, I feel I took care of business as best as finances would allow. My income is down about 70% this year so I am really grateful my wife has our backs for now.

I live in a very well off area of Western Colorado and I am already seeing crime from druggies and theft rings rise noticeably since March so my gut told me to arm up and stack as deep as I can. Regardless of politics, I sure as hell hope this country can get a grip because when people lose hope in large numbers, well that is no place for Americans to be.

Be safe, be smart and be kind.

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Who is their assistance?
Do you actually think people on unemployment will commit crimes?
Assistance as in federal assistance aka entitlements aka unemployment checks.

Yes, I do think if things get from bad to worse...this crime spree will happen...then crimes will also skyrocket.

Congress as of today did not extend the $600 per week added to unemployment. That means that provision has expired. That is $2,400.00 per month gone. Unemployment in some states pays a little over $300 a month.

People who were gainfully employed and suddenly out of work due to covid are about to get their world turned upside down. They are not going to be able to pay rent, eat, drive, etc. on $350 bucks a month.

As covid shutdowns continue and drag on and even more unemployment join the ranks, there is cause for concern. We are a little over three months out until the election. Do you know people or a small family that can live off $350 a month?

I will and do feed the hungry. If someone shows up on my doorstep begging for food, I will take them grocery shopping. I'm just wired that way. I can not stand by and let someone go hungry. I just can't and won't do it.

But those who have nothing will do anything.
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Unemployment (UI) is not an entitlement. The employee earns this as part of his/hers employee compensation. It is paid into the various State Labor Departments and held in their UI Trust Funds. Yes, the Feds added $600/WK but the basic State UI payments will continue past the end to the $600.

Are we to expect that the S&P 500 Corporations are going to turn into criminal organizations the day the 3 or was it 4 Trillion dollars in welfare aide from Congress and the Federal reserve run out?

Having just a little faith in our fellow Americans is not much to ask. Local sources of aide and family members will step in as/if things get worst as they have always done in the past. Some folks will make bad choices but the walking dead are not coming.
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I checked out the Federal availability and prices. 9mm FMJ is a little high. I also use 357 SIG. Theirs is $1 PER ROUND!!! Ridiculous!!!! I bought 500 rounds back in April from Target Sports for about 35 cents a round.
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