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Old 07-16-2020, 07:56 AM   #1
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Am I a Fool? P365XL AIWB

OK don't answer that out of context...

Is it foolish to AIWB carry a P365XL w/o a manual safety with a round chambered? (not concerned about an AD, always training to avoid an ND)

Maybe it is all in my head but, I have not been rollin' with a round chambered.
I have been training on racking during the un-holstering/presenting process. This is a tad different for me as I carry my other pistols OWB with or without a safety with one in the chamber. (most have safeties)

Should I keep going down this road or...

Get a safety and keep one in the chamber and train with the safety?

Asking not only from a best practice/safety standpoint, but also going to get one of the Grayguns Laser Stippled frames. (when they are back in stock) Those come w/o one or with a conversion kit. I am hesitant, as the safety paddle looks like a pain to operate, but I reckon I would get used to it as we tend to do with repetition. I would love to hear from those of you with the manual safety version and your experience with it. ...and those w/o and how you carry.

Many thanks for your input!
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Old 07-16-2020, 08:04 AM   #2
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i'm not familiar with its trigger but seems similar to the g3 g30 i carry with round chambered.

you might be surprised/dead if you don't have time to rack the slide, if you are in **** situation.
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No, striker fired pistols are designed to be carried with a round chambered. There are 0 benefits carrying any other way.
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No, striker fired pistols are designed to be carried with a round chambered. There are 0 benefits carrying any other way.
No round in the chamber might get you to heaven quicker
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No, striker fired pistols are designed to be carried with a round chambered. There are 0 benefits carrying any other way.
Understood, this is my first striker fired pistol, learning the ropes. Still strange not having a hammer to thumb on re-holster, but I am really enjoying the form factor and accuracy of this snappy little thing.
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No round in the chamber might get you to heaven quicker
Indeed, you and bearone2 have very good points. Seconds count, especially when the adrenaline is pumping and the **** has hit the fan.
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Indeed, you and bearone2 have very good points. Seconds count, especially when the adrenaline is pumping and the **** has hit the fan.
That said, manual safety or no?
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I went thru the same consideration. I wanted to carry with a round in the chamber but wasnt comfortable with aiwb.

So I carry it at 3:30-4 position. With a manual safety.

My thinking is nothing is 100%. Bad things can happen no matter how much training (or lack of) we have. They could come from brain farts, weapon malfunction, holster wear, etc. Pick a method that you are most comfortable with.
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I went through this debate back when I had a p365 with no safety. That might give away my stance.

I ended up going back to a DA/SA hammer. I wasn't overly uncomfortable carrying with a round in the chamber and no manual safety, but I was MUCH more deliberate with my reholstering. Not that you shouldn't always be careful when reholstering, but especially so with a safety-less pistol. Plenty of people carry M&Ps AIWB with no safety, too. For me, though, once I get around to picking up another subcompact, I'm going to go Glock. The Striker Control Device is a genius little piece of hardware that makes me feel much more comfortable, especially in conjunction with the trigger safety.
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That said, manual safety or no?

Everyone is different, but if adding a manual safety to my striker gun makes me comfortable with carrying it with one in the pipe, I probably need to add the manual safety. Then again, If I am comfortable with a manual safety and I am also seemingly more comfortable with a hammer-fired gun, I need to rethink my urge to carry a striker-fired gun.

That said, I'm not familiar with how the P365 manual safety would function. I've never seen one in person, nor have I fondled one, but if it's anything like a 1911 manual safety, I would rather manipulate the manual safety when presenting the pistol, then cycling the slide and worrying if, perhaps, it may not go fully into battery. If, on the other hand, the P365 manual safety functions like the one on my IMI Baby Eagle, there is no way in hell that I am ever going to engage that safety for any reason.

On top of that, there is the time issue. With proper training, manipulating a 1911-style manual safety would take no additional time during the presentation, while racking the slide most certainly would.

When seconds count, it is said, the cops are minutes away. Likewise, when fractions of a second count, I don't want to add penalty time to my presentation. I am always at a disadvantage, because the bad guy isn't going to send me an e-mail ahead of time, to tell me what to expect. We just had a somewhat spirited discussion about the Tueller drill a week, or so ago and it is stunning just how quickly a determined attacker can close the distance. From 21 feet away, a man with a knife will kill, or maim you more times than not.
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No safety and I carry mine AIWB.
I use a quality holster and am never in a hurry to holster.
It does feel odd not having a hammer to ride and I still look for it at times.
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This question comes up a lot. I suspect if a survey were taken it would probably be about 50-50 re: safety on P365.

I have a safety and carry AIWB. Feels good for me.
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No matter how much I tried to like the P365, it's just too small for me and clumsy to get a grip on. I'm back to carrying my hammer fired Springfield XD-e. Is it bigger, heavier and hold less rounds... yes, but I love this gun. You can always convert your P365 to a manual safety version if that makes you feel more comfortable.

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Ultimately you have to decide your own level of comfort. Many carry AIWB without a manual safety. But if it makes you even slightly nervous that technique does not work for you.
Give it a try and see. You already know the pro/cons and steps to take.
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Keep your finger out of the trigger guard and you'll be GTG with a round in the chamber.
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