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Interesting Incident At The Range Today

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#1 ·
I was shooting, Mrs. Flash had already shot and was sitting on a bench behind the shooting line.

A guy came in with 3 women in tow. Turns out he was a Shooting Instructor and the women had hired him to teach them how to shoot.

Anyway, I didn't hear what was going on, but one of the women sat next to Mrs. Flash and started loading a 17 round Glock magazine with her fingers and thumbs. At around 10 rounds she told Mrs. Flash her thumbs hurt badly. Mrs. Flash told her she was doing it the hard way and needed to get a Glock loading tool.

At that point the Instructor came over and said no, she had to learn how to load a magazine without one. Mrs. Flash told him he was wrong and he should provide the tool. He replied that he was an NRA Certified shooting instructor and knew what he was doing. Mrs. Flash told him he didn't know what he was doing.

At that point one of the Range Officers came over, saw what was happening and told the women he'd take care of her. The Instructor objected, the R.O. overruled his objection and took the woman to a shooting lane and started coaching her in the shooting fundamentals.

Just one more incompetent instructor busily driving women away from the shooting sports. The instructor was lucky I didn't hear what was going on as I would've told him what I thought of his credentials and abilities.
 
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#6 ·
I swear that most of the NRA "Certified" instructors get their training from U-Tube.
I had a recent similar situation with a "Instructor" who was concerned about my "Weaver" Stance. Now, I know, that this is OLD fashioned and was taught in the last century. But keeping everything in the 9+ zone of a b=29 MAY indicate that I have some idea of what I am doing.

Not so. The instructor wanted me to move into the latest "Flex" stance.

I packed up and left.
 
#7 ·
Sometimes instructors forget that old school knowledge is better than new school in some things. In truth, as long as you’re being safe and accurate, I’m not sure that I care if you stand on one foot with your head cocked sideways.


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#10 ·
That's kind of how *I* feel. It was good enough to let me survive several fights in Nam, and a few when I was a Sheriff Deputy. Only thing that they don't let me do anymore is the Bill Jordan draw and shoot. (I used to be pretty good at that.)
One thing I do know. Shooting is a perishable Skill. 100 rounds a week is not nearly enough to put me back into what I did when I was in my early 30s.
 
#11 ·
That "so called" instructor is a "wanna be" and an idiot. For sure teach newbies how to thumb load a mag - but that can be learned after loading the top 3 -4 or so rounds a few times (especially with female students). Then go to a loader so they don't get a negative experience. That guys is lost in the weeds.
 
#12 · (Edited)
What's better, having a newbie that can empty a mag accurately on target or turning them off over mag loading dogma?

Fortunately my daughter (only child) has taken an interest in shooting as she's gotten older. I have taught her, and a couple of her female friends how to shoot pistol in a way that has made them want to come back for more.
 
#16 ·
From someone that's been an NRA Training Counselor since 1976, I completely agree.

TC's work pretty hard to make sure the instructors they certify are competent and fully qualified to help new shooters learn correctly, and without that macho BS some seem to have to prove "they're in charge".

Sad when they do that and it is correct that kind of instructor turns a lot of potentially great shooters off shooing. I've had a few of those that were turned off due to macho types, that someone has pointed them to my classes and did well. In the critique at the end of the class, they almost always speak up about the bad instructor - and always name then to warn others from the jerks.

As they should.
 
#17 · (Edited)
Like a lot of us, I’ve been shooting for 30+ years. And while I don’t generally care for indoor ranges, was at an indoor range about ten years ago. A self proclaimed instructor (who worked at the range) came over to critique my performance, telling me I was doing it all wrong.

If he had looked closely, he would have seen I was being miserly with my target. I was shooting five round strings and grouping 2” groups at about 25’. But I’m cheap and instead of replacing the target, I was putting five round holes in every number on the target. To be fair, after a while, it did look like I was shooting all over the place.

Well, always one for entertainment, I let him coach me on grip, stance, aiming, etc. So he asks me to try all of his ideas. The target was attached to the moving wire with a 2” piece of PVC with a clip on the end. I promptly shot the PVC pipe and the target fluttered to the ground. Dang. He gives me a refresher course, tells me this is why I need to pay attention, etc. he goes and gets me another PVC target hanger and we send out another target. He puts a few holes in the paper (using his gun, not mine - I’m not that nice), and tells me to give it a try. I promptly shot the PVC pipe again. He groaned and then did a double take and says, “You’re doing that on purpose, aren’t you?”

I laughed and said, “yeah”. He was a good sport about it.
 
#21 ·
My Sister that is one year ahead of me. One day decided she wanted to learn to shoot pistols. I was more of a rifle guy at the time. I suggested she find a handgun instructor to teach her. She found one that happened to work with her. She set up a date for her first class. At the time we shared a apartment. I was going to college at the time. She let me stay with her to keep my costs down.
I came back that night to find her sobbing in the living room. Her left hand looked like it had been mauled by a dog.
What happened was this so called Instructor had let her hold the Beretta 92 revolver style. When she would shoot. The slide would bite her. She said he never showed her the correct way to hold the gun when she started. After she had fired a mag thru the pistol. He finally shows her the correct hold. He said he wanted her to feel how it felt to hold the pistol wrong so she would remember the pain. This would motivate her to never hold it that way again. She said the pain was so bad that she would go back to revolver style every now then just out of habit during the session due to the pain.
Her hand was chewed up good. She went to the hospital and came back all wrapped up. She never wanted to shoot pistols for another 20 years.
And yeah! with a jacked up hand, made her load her own mags.
 
#24 ·
There is more to the story. I just didn't want to write a novel. Story was getting a little long as it was.
Lets just say he knew exactly how our Father and I felt about the whole thing.
I still get a little ****** when I think about it. It took my sister 20 years before she wanted to try shooting pistols again.
This time, I was her Instructor.
 
#26 ·
An ex-army guy brought in a bunch of students to my range and had a very similar thing happen. I ended up working with one of the girls and I let her use my Maglula and he goes “hey no cheating.” So then I would stand guard for her while she loaded up mags and if he started coming over to our port I’d alert her and she’d move it aside. But he caught her again and started laughing and goes “ah ok I’ll let it slide today”. So then the group was swapping ports and like several of the girls wanted to come to my port when their friend told them about it. At least my guy was cool about it and not trying to be some hard *** that ruins their first experience shooting.


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