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Old 06-29-2020, 10:19 AM   #31
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All those are valid points but still

Make a mistake and leave a round in the chamber:

Glock: Gun fires ND
Sig: Round is ejected

Choose wisely

As for the car comparison how about if you forget to take the key out correctly and the car will blow up.
I am betting you won't say well you just have to remember the key removal right so it won't blow up, it is training. Right?
How about a car that does not blow up?


As for the idiot cop above a DA would have been safer for a non gun person which unfortunately many patrol cops happen to be

The often seen "I just XXXen shot myself" a DA would most likely avoid that

I not only won't have a pistol that requires pulling the trigger to disassemble I want DA/SA as an added safety from AD/NDs but I want no safety to prevent me from making it go bang when I know it has to

I am not a casual shooter.
When I shoot I train and one thing I have learned is those of us that shoot a lot can become complacent and again I build in safety when I may fail with a DA/SA.
You are better than me?
Great, good for you.
I can not be safe enough while always knowing it goes bang at the same time
I think you're exaggerating things a bit. Any polymer-framed handgun can 'blow up' the same that has been noted in certain Glocks, especially if people shoot handloads in them. The only thing I can see being a concern with Glock is that the stock chamber may not be as fully supported as other guns, part of the design when it comes to feeding reliability. I've actually seen it happen with a Glock 34 at an IDPA shoot. But this is primarily an ammo issue, and we can't necessarily claim that Glock is any less safe than any other gun in that regard.

Sure an all-steel gun may hold up better, but that's more coincidental rather than an actual design feature.

And as for takedown...I don't know about anyone else, but I've also never felt fully assured field-stripping a weapon that has to be cocked in order to remove the slide, and without the ability to put it on safe when doing it. So you pretty much should take precautions all around.


So is a Glock a less safe gun? No, I don't believe so. Less forgiving? Perhaps. But these days I could say that eve moreso with guns like the Walther PPQ, and especially the HK VP9. Those triggers actually make me a bit nervous, especially if they were for duty.
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Old 06-29-2020, 01:20 PM   #32
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I compared a design of a car that would blow up not a gun. The car comparison was to say we would never accept an extra risk to our well being when it could be designed to never do that
At nowhere in this thread has it been suggested that any gun was more likely to "blow up"

No one here would have a problem proving how safe disassembling a Sig is by chambering a round then beginning to take down sequence

No one here is dumb enough to chamber a round in a Glock and then begin the take down sequence

Why is that?

Simple because the sequence is safe with a Sig and life threatening with a Glock.

Imagine teaching your child about guns and then ask yourself with all the possibilities would you rather they had a pistol that could not kill them when they did a cleaning as compared to one that has actually taken lives with this design flaw and yes it is a flaw and a deadly flaw at that.
Pistols do not have to be designed to fire when you take them down

Well, the balcony has no railing but if you don't walk off it you won't be hurt. True but I would prefer a rail but hey I am not an expert I just prefer less risk
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Old 06-29-2020, 04:00 PM   #33
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There is an old saying and a reason it became an old saying.

"The great thing about a Glock is, it is always ready to fire
The bad thing about a Glock is, it is always ready to fire."

I don't like striker fire, because the unseen hammer is cocked ready to go.
With my P series, or 1911s, that big ol hammer, clicks in the mind, saying caution.

I have owned striker fire, and Glocks, and they are good guns, just not what I want.
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No one here is dumb enough to chamber a round in a Glock and then begin the take down sequence

Why is that?

Simple because the sequence is safe with a Sig and life threatening with a Glock.
Well, by your own observation above, chambering a round to begin a takedown sequence is "dumb." So given that, is that still truly an issue of a "safe" or "unsafe" design, or is that specifically a stupidity issue? Because if we want to talk about all the ways people can do stupid things with guns, even "safely designed" guns, then I'll go ahead and pull up a chair and crack a beer - it's gonna be a long night.
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I would consider someone just as negligent to forget ejecting a chambered round in a 1911, a Sig P226, or a revolver while cleaning as I would with a Glock.

Once again, there's a difference between 'less safe' and 'less forgiving'.
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Old 07-02-2020, 03:11 PM   #36
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The ergonomics are different. If you have time to dry fire you'll shoot it well if not, you better know where those iron sights will send that round. Just speaking from experience.
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P.s. what are the 4 major beat them in to your skull rules? All guns are loaded, never touch the trigger until you KNOW your target, never point the muzzle at anything you dont want to destroy, know whats behind your target. Learn it, live it, love it!
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If you don't like Glocks don't get one. Problem solved.
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I think that if it is “easy” to shoot yourself with a Glock, it would be just as easy to shoot yourself with any gun. It is all about the operator...only!
Know what you are doing all the time. All brands and models of firearms require very specific handling procedures to be used correctly and safely. Many of those requirements are the same or very similar across several brands and types. But all need to be understood (knowledge of proper manipulation) and have that understanding carried out...all the time. No one gun is “easier” to misuse or misunderstand if the operator is vigilant (and gain the knowledge) to begin with.
Handled correctly, all guns are as safe, and as dangerous, as any other. As I always like to point out when the anti gun folks say that “guns kill”, it’s always the operator, never the machine!
Ignorance is the culprit here.
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This whole post speaks only to guns that are in proper operating condition. Not modified in such a way that makes it less safe through negligence. The sky’s the limit there.
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Old 07-03-2020, 05:51 AM   #40
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Glock is just as safe as double-action revolver (which police carried for ages), but maybe less forgiving....so it's more of a matter of on whom the latter part falls on.
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Old 07-03-2020, 06:26 AM   #41
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Love my Sigs and love my Glocks. My P365 is my EDC but in The End Times, I'm grabbing my Glock.
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Old 07-03-2020, 07:17 AM   #42
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Love my Sigs and love my Glocks. My P365 is my EDC but in The End Times, I'm grabbing my Glock.
My Sig P320C is essentially 'that pistol' for me, but that's because the P320s fit me better than Glocks. I still think every gun owner would be wise to have at least one Glock as a $#TF/toolbox pistol.

I prefer steel hammer-fired guns for competition and collecting (CZ guy), but for carry an the above-mentioned scenario...it's a Sig P365 and P320C....and these days I essentially put all striker-fired polymer-framed guns into the same category. And I think that's a great thing that we now have so much to choose from and fit us better while benefitting from the simplicity and durability/utility that Glock cemented.

There are those out there who still classify them as 'cheap/junk' and a reflection of our quick/cheap consumer culture...and I think that's rather myopic. I can understand when o et other side someone sees them as the end-all and just don't have much familiarity and experience in firearms .

I got into guns right before Glocks started coming out, raised on classics and at a time before internet and such where you still had to put in the leg work and try guns before understanding what they were all about. I think many that were older than me were quicker to dismiss them, but I think many of my 'generation' had a good combination of the traditional but also being open to newer developments. So I think within that context is the ideal way to appreciate what Glocks are and became, and not knock them so much for what they're not.
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wulfmann Buy and carry , train and clean what ever you want that leaves you feeling safe and I sure we will all do the same .

I sure If I would have bought a glock back in the earlier days I would carry one now but I did not . 1911's and s&w gen 3 took me some years to move to a polymer framed pistol with kahrs and just never took liked the glock grip design and I've tried 3 differet times over the years . last one was tried to a daughter that carrys a g19 gen5 while I'll stay with striker by sig or M&P .

I do know you'll have a hard time finding any all metal handgun that can last as long as at least one G17 gen 2 Chuck Taylors been shooting for 365,000 rounds or more .

Kelly McCann might own have a Glock 19 with twice that round count .
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The newer Glock 48, with aftermarket Shield Arms flush-fit 15-rd magazine, is IMO the best carry gun they've ever made.
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The OP of this thread is the reason I don't go to Ar15.com. Bunch of immature, ignorant, loud-mouthed jerks.

Please go back there.
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