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Old 07-31-2020, 03:39 AM   #31
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I've been selling to people I know personally directly, but for most of the sales, I'm working through a dealer on consignment.

They are having difficulty getting stock from distributors, so if you have attractive items to sell, most dealers are welcoming the business.

Believe it or not, they often make more money selling traded in guns as used, and even beat or match new sales with the consignment percentage. It's a good deal in time of high demand for the store, the consignor and the buyer.

Sold two more rifles earlier this week through the dealer. They lasted 4 days on his wall.
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Old 07-31-2020, 06:00 AM   #32
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With all due respect to everyone here, I think it is preposterous to believe that even if the worst possible election outcome happens that gun confiscation will happen.

Why? Because of a number of factors. First and foremost is gun ownership is so widespread it becomes a war against the average citizen. Second, there would be significant armed resistance. A very significant percentage of police would not be willing to risk their lives to enforce a policy that they believe is questionably legal. Policemen and policewoman want to go home after every shift and fighting armed fellow citizens is not conducive to that. Third, if the police tried to enforce the confiscation laws the population would actively go after the politicians to either incarcerate or do worse to them. We have to be vigilant and take the necessary precautions and make sure that the sliced salami method of eroding or rights is not successful.

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I don't think that many people on here actually believe their will be a gun confiscation, but what worries most people is waking up one morning to find the ATF has changed their mind and now pistol braces are illegal. Or suppressors are illegal. Or there's a new "assault weapons" ban, except this ban doesn't grand-father in ones you already own, and you have to turn them in or become a felon. Same with "high capacity" magazines, what if they don't just ban them, but make possession of them a felony? (They did it with bump-fire stocks.) To go further, if that ever happened, it would be "per magazine." What if the law stated 5-10 years PER magazine?

I have a hard time believing any of this would lead to some armed revolt, at least not wide spread enough to make any difference. Everyone will be sitting behind their keyboards, talking about it, but not doing it. Most people aren't going to join a fight, when they can sit on the sidelines and watch others fight for their rights, but then reap the benefits of the fight in the end.

It's like a few years back, a popular YouTuber thought it was time to start the revolt, and he was all gunning up... but then no one moved from behind their keyboards. He was investigated, and I think fined or something. But it was very telling how many in the gun community branded him crazy and washed their hands of him.
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I don't think that many people on here actually believe their will be a gun confiscation, but what worries most people is waking up one morning to find the ATF has changed their mind and now pistol braces are illegal. Or suppressors are illegal. Or there's a new "assault weapons" ban, except this ban doesn't grand-father in ones you already own, and you have to turn them in or become a felon. Same with "high capacity" magazines, what if they don't just ban them, but make possession of them a felony? (They did it with bump-fire stocks.) To go further, if that ever happened, it would be "per magazine." What if the law stated 5-10 years PER magazine?



I have a hard time believing any of this would lead to some armed revolt, at least not wide spread enough to make any difference. Everyone will be sitting behind their keyboards, talking about it, but not doing it. Most people aren't going to join a fight, when they can sit on the sidelines and watch others fight for their rights, but then reap the benefits of the fight in the end.



It's like a few years back, a popular YouTuber thought it was time to start the revolt, and he was all gunning up... but then no one moved from behind their keyboards. He was investigated, and I think fined or something. But it was very telling how many in the gun community branded him crazy and washed their hands of him.
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Old 07-31-2020, 11:26 AM   #34
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Yes I witnessed this myself. Fortunately I have been buying guns and ammo (online) for the past 3 years. 8 longuns, and 3 handguns. About 8,500 rounds now.....
After the last ammo shortage eased up, I started buying ammo every payday, as much as I could afford (often only a few boxes, but it still adds up over time). Thankfully, after receiving a long-awaited settlement last summer, I went out and bought a lot more in anticipation of another shortage this year due to the election coming up.

At this point in time, I have enough ammo to last the rest of my life, and all of my firearm needs have been met, with the exception of an O/U 12ga shotgun for skeet shooting...
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The extra $600 a week unemployment ended so maybe we'll see people get desperate and start selling.

That is until the next riot.
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The extra $600 a week unemployment ended so maybe we'll see people get desperate and start selling.



That is until the next riot.
They won't sell because the price offered will only be 1/3 of what they paid

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I'm a prime member of TSUSA and before COVID I was paying the following for a 9mm 124 grain FMJ box of 50.

- Sellier & Bellot - $7.81
- Winchester NATO, CCI Blazer Brass, Speer Lawman - $8.27
- Federal American Eagle - $8.73

Now all of the above are $16.55! Earlier this week, TSUSA had at least 100 (initially showed 99+ cases in stock) 1000-round cases of the Federal ammo that sold out in 15 minutes. It's also amazing how much people are paying for 9mm ammo on gunbroker...$0.50+ per round. I have a little over 5000 rounds of 9mm and I'm still worried about the ammo shortage because my wife and I shoot a couple times a month. Crazy times.
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It is the perfect storm that created the shortage of both available firearms and ammunition. I was in my favorite LGS yesterday and discussing the shortage of firearms they had (usually extremely well stocked). They said May and June pretty much wiped them and and that their distributors can't give them updates on the backorders.
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I'm a prime member of TSUSA and before COVID I was paying the following for a 9mm 124 grain FMJ box of 50.

- Sellier & Bellot - $7.81
- Winchester NATO, CCI Blazer Brass, Speer Lawman - $8.27
- Federal American Eagle - $8.73

Now all of the above are $16.55! Earlier this week, TSUSA had at least 100 (initially showed 99+ cases in stock) 1000-round cases of the Federal ammo that sold out in 15 minutes. It's also amazing how much people are paying for 9mm ammo on gunbroker...$0.50+ per round. I have a little over 5000 rounds of 9mm and I'm still worried about the ammo shortage because my wife and I shoot a couple times a month. Crazy times.
Also a TS member, pretty close to same prices. I'm keeping it to one match a month...signed up for 4 in August including a 3-gun, but will drop out of two of them and keep it to one a month afterwards...maybe none a month until after elections and things settle down.

I had a solid supply of ammo before...have probably almost doubleded that since at what I calculate out to be 1.5x the cost of what it was before as i just pick some up when alerted and it's not completely absurd...which it's becoming by the minute now.
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That makes no sense at all. They are going to make money on consignment guns and it would be more sales, thus more possible repeat customers for the future.

Hubby had a SIG P320 in .40 caliber that no way could he get even a nibble on for about a year and a half. Finally, after trying consignment and then gunbroker, he brought it home. Then this mess started so he took it back and put it on consignment again. This time it sold in a hurry! He probably could have even asked $50 more for it then he had been asking and still sold it quickly.
I agree, I Found this to be 100% Opposite in my area, Ohio, I actually was able to negotiate and make some $ on some trades.
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Academy Sports near STL. This was picture was taken today. This was pistol and .556/.223 ammo area. There was a bit of shotgun and rifle stock but not much of it either. They had a few S&W pistols and a couple other odd balls. Rifles were all gone and only shotguns they have were a couple high end autos and a couple side by side’s.
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It's going from, bad to worse to brutal real quick.
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Old 08-01-2020, 08:28 AM   #43
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Yep, I work at Gun shop in North Carolina. The rush started in January along with the pandemic and stayed steady until the riots and then had a bump. Combine that with an election year and I donít see it slowing anytime this year. There weíre 19 million NICS checks by the end of June this year, which is more than 1998-2012 combined. A huge number of those are first time gun owners, to which I say welcome to the community, be safe and get training. Some manufacturers have added shifts and are producing more but still canít keep up with demand according to our reps. The industry has never seen anything even close to the sales happening right now. Interesting times for sure.
At the same time Remington is filing their 2nd Bankruptcy.
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With cheap ammo prices over the past couple years I was shooting 300-400 rounds/wk of 9mm and 45.
Although I have a large supply, I don't want to just burn it up with replacement cost at over $.40-.50/round. So I've dusted of my nice 22LR pistols and I'm balancing my practice with those so my 'average' cost is tolerable. Competitive shooting 22LR knock-down plates with some buddies outdoors is a hoot!
Just bought an ample supply of CCI Mini-Mag 40gr CPRN from TS for <$.08/rnd.

Also just bought an ELMS 'Expert Laser Marksman System' from G-Sight as recommended by several other SIG Forum members for ammo-less timed/accuracy practice Draw and shoot. Captures image of the exact P.O.I. of each shot to your cell phone. I figure at $59 It'll pay for itself in no time!

Draw and Dry-firing a Red Dot can also be excellent practice as you can see any dot movement off target as you dry-fire.

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The financial hardships caused by Covid are likely to get worse, and we haven't really factored in a major hurricane yet.

A sustained period like a natural disaster where Police are unavailable to respond is my biggest concern.

Desperate people do desperate things.

Best to be prepared to defend your castle!
Defunded police, intentional chaos, unemployment not seen in generations. Releasing over 100,000 felons was bound to cause chaos.

This has been bad, it will get worse. I haven't bought guns or ammo in 2020 (I'm ok).

I've seen my neighbors who wouldn't own a gun, switch opinions and buy. Good for them.
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