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Old 08-29-2020, 07:51 AM   #31
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The 300BO Rattler is my choice.

Compact with no buffer tube.

Price of ammo sucks but I don't need to shoot it every weekend, its the same as an AR so no new training needed.

Shooting it every other month or so is enough for me to feel confident with it.
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Old 08-29-2020, 07:55 AM   #32
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That is why I think this discussion is needed. What we have seen thus far, Austin and Kenosha, are not rational people and responses.
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That is why I think this discussion is needed. What we have seen thus far, Austin and Kenosha, are not rational people and responses.
These situations by definition are a total breakdown of rationale and sense, it's futile to try and inject some in. Do what you have to do to save your ***.
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If you plan to use anything but a pistol caliber round, it will be extremely loud in the event you had to use it. In a confined space, with a non-suppressed SBR variant 5.56, or similar round, it will be painful to non-protected ears, and possibly disorienting to some degree in that same confined area due to the sound and muzzle flash.

A lot of individuals say that the sound aspect of firing an SBR is not a big deal, but most of those same individuals have not fired an extremely short, non-suppressed SBR, from a very confined environment, such as a car or very small room. It would work in a pinch, but to me, it's just not an ideal setup for a rifle based round without a suppressor IMO.
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If you plan to use anything but a pistol caliber round, it will be extremely loud in the event you had to use it. In a confined space, with a non-suppressed SBR variant 5.56, or similar round, it will be painful to non-protected ears, and possibly disorienting to some degree in that same confined area due to the sound and muzzle flash.

A lot of individuals say that the sound aspect of firing an SBR is not a big deal, but most of those same individuals have not fired an extremely short, non-suppressed SBR, from a very confined environment, such as a car or very small room. It would work in a pinch, but to me, it's just not an ideal setup for a rifle based round without a suppressor IMO.
From my thinking I am also thinking in terms of maneuverability.
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Consider the ammo you have on hand as having to last a while if need be. Replacing that in any quantity is not only going to be very costly at today's prices but damn near impossible to find.

If you have a pile of 9mm or 223/556, then you have more options. If you are short on one, hang on to that for your current firearm usage and consider your larger quantity as a little more expendable. No one says you can't carry two different calibers in your vehicle.
I agree with this as well I'm crazy so only been doing 9mm and .40 S&W for 20 or so years so I tons of that ammo, when I jumped into the Sig pistol and Sig AR-15 I went with same calibers for my Sig pistols only to get a Sig 357 barrel for the P226 .40 S&W and picked up 600 rounds Sig 357 blemish sale earlier this month.

Now that I'm new to AR's as well I went with 5.56/.223 barrels so I can buy and shoot both and I stocked up back in March when I got my M400 tread.

Just finished my 1st DIY AR and wanted 2 AR fold n go options so I went with 300blk and ammo was to hard find at $1 around but I've got 400 rounds of Sig 300BLK Elite Ball.

Still keeping my options open 1 of my other AR's is 5.56/.223 and it's a fold n go as well and like I said I've got thousands of those rounds.
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I'm in an area where people are getting pulled from their rig and getting the snot beat out of them.

As far as guns and cars, do what works for you.
My 365 is now my backup gun that is AIWB. Primary is back to the P220 OWB loaded with Hornady Critical Duty.
The AR9 goes in a backpack, as it's a pistol it can be locked and loaded.
If I can't push my way through and I have to leave the rig, the backpack is next to me and goes with.
Extra mags and supplies are in the bag also.
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If you plan to use anything but a pistol caliber round, it will be extremely loud in the event you had to use it. In a confined space, with a non-suppressed SBR variant 5.56, or similar round, it will be painful to non-protected ears, and possibly disorienting to some degree in that same confined area due to the sound and muzzle flash.

A lot of individuals say that the sound aspect of firing an SBR is not a big deal, but most of those same individuals have not fired an extremely short, non-suppressed SBR, from a very confined environment, such as a car or very small room. It would work in a pinch, but to me, it's just not an ideal setup for a rifle based round without a suppressor IMO.
I agree to a large extent, which is why I recommend a PCC for the home. But I've also heard from folks who've had to use their firearm in a stressful/life-threatening situation (even a 5.56 without hearing protection indoors) that they hardly heard it with their blood pressure skyrocketing and adrenaline being flooded into their system. "Auditory exclusion" is the term, I believe. Of course you may suffer some permanent hearing damage, but compared to permanent life-loss....

I'd be more concerned with the concussion disorienting me, by again that may fall under auditory exclusion as well. I also think that someone more trained in firearms use/duty would probably 'exclude' things and perform better, and be less apt to having their brains scrambled by it like more of us would.
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... Pistol with copperhead in backpack with extra mags will handle a lot of situations

Pistol 556 is going to be loud
Thanks for the input...
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I just zeroed my AR pistol like two weeks back... did it at 50 yards. I doubt I’m shooting over 100 yards, but it should be minute of man through 200ish yards. Good enough for me.

I’m in Federal L/E, and wanted something heavier in my truck. Mainly was done for that Walmart shooting string we had last year. But it will stay there probably for the foreseeable future. Not only does it bring more to the table if I’m off duty, but at certain locations I work at... it is access to a longer gun where management does not see fit to store a long gun. Not approved by the agency, but definitely could be a field expedient weapon. If it comes down to something where my or another officer’s life is in danger, I’ll deal with the BS after the fact.

As stated, AR pistols can be left “loaded” in a vehicle usually when long guns cannot. In ME, a rifle or shotgun loaded in a vehicle is a hunting regulation (just like a lose dog is a F&W fine). I also have a carry permit, which I really didn’t need... but it specifically allows loaded pistols in a vehicle. Also looking at the 700 CP for a similar reason. Wish there was a “shotgun” pistol that would work in this situation... but nothing out.

I do have a PSA AKP... but need to get some extra magazines and a red dot for it.
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For my state (CT), I'm prohibited from carrying a loaded rifle or shotgun in car, and we are prohibited from owning 'pistols' with detachable magazines not in the grip...like an AR pistol or the like. We can own them as 'other' firearms as configured from factory or built from stripped receiver....but even with those, they must have a minimum barrel length of 12" and have a min overall length of 26"....so it's not like I can have a compact/foldable loaded PDW like those discussed here. For me, it looks like it can only be a pistol, maybe the 'other' in the trunk.....and only 10-rd magazines.

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I just zeroed my AR pistol like two weeks back... did it at 50 yards. I doubt I’m shooting over 100 yards, but it should be minute of man through 200ish yards. Good enough for me.

I’m in Federal L/E, and wanted something heavier in my truck. Mainly was done for that Walmart shooting string we had last year. But it will stay there probably for the foreseeable future. Not only does it bring more to the table if I’m off duty, but at certain locations I work at... it is access to a longer gun where management does not see fit to store a long gun. Not approved by the agency, but definitely could be a field expedient weapon. If it comes down to something where my or another officer’s life is in danger, I’ll deal with the BS after the fact.

As stated, AR pistols can be left “loaded” in a vehicle usually when long guns cannot. In ME, a rifle or shotgun loaded in a vehicle is a hunting regulation (just like a lose dog is a F&W fine). I also have a carry permit, which I really didn’t need... but it specifically allows loaded pistols in a vehicle. Also looking at the 700 CP for a similar reason. Wish there was a “shotgun” pistol that would work in this situation... but nothing out.

I do have a PSA AKP... but need to get some extra magazines and a red dot for it.
You should look into the '36-yard zero'....puts everything in a the size of a CD up to 300 yards. But 50-yd looks good for anything under 300 too.

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Wish there was a “shotgun” pistol that would work in this situation... but nothing out.
How about a Shockwave or Tac-14? Technically not shotgun nor pistol for ATF purposes. How would ME classify it for hunting purposes?
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How about a Shockwave or Tac-14? Technically not shotgun nor pistol for ATF purposes. How would ME classify it for hunting purposes?

Not a pistol, so wouldn’t work. I looked at it, since I have a TAC-14, which I’m AOWing. No dice.
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Sorry, I won't be able to run so I will have to stand my ground. Ideally I can seek shelter in a building or structure. If someone in the crowd has a firearm (chances are they will) then its going to be a life or death situation.
This is why it's important for people to think about things before hand A LOT, and think about it some right before something happens and at least have an outline of a plan.

What I might do will very greatly if I am in the vehicle by myself vs in the vehicle with my family. By myself, I might be willing to ditch my vehicle if it's blocked and I have line of sight to some sort of choke point I could get to (or a police line). With my family, I'm not willing to hope two small children will be able to stick with me during a bail, so I am more likely to defend my vehicle (despite thinking vehicles are not a good defensible position against a mob).
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Have read a couple threads on "Truck/Trunk Guns" and not quite seeing the info I'm looking for.

Been thinking lately of acquiring an AR style pistol. I can see virtue in the size. Home defense, vehicle travel companion, etc. My questions revolve around caliber and maker, plus the tactical benefits of those. Not realistically envisioning any distances longer than 50-75 yards

In .38/.357 I am set. I have a 5 shot snub, a Dan Wesson w/ 6" heavy barrel and a Winchester Model 94 lever. Same ammo, multiple platforms. 0-75 yards - good to go.

I also have both a Ruger SS Ranch Rifle and a Sig 516 Patrol. So .223/5.56 is an option in an AR style pistol. 7.5" - 10" is my current thought. Sig, Springfiled Armory Saint, BG Defense (Grand Rapids MI) are a couple makers I've looked at.

I have recently transitioned to a P365 SAS, so 9mm is back into my mix. Thus a Ruger PC Charger or Sig MPX etc are intriguing.

I have a Benelli M1 for shotgun needs and as written above, a couple 223/5.56 rifles for longer range work - if ever needed.

So for compatibility of ammunition, home defense, vehicle travel, possible "wrong place at the wrong time" scenario, what are your thoughts on 9mm or .223/5.56 pistols? 0-75 yards. 9mm typically is a "blow back" system. .223/5.56 is a gas system. etc etc etc.

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Shotgun with 00 for the range you quoted. They're devastating. There's a reason the military still uses them.

A Shockwave is classified simply as a firearm or "other". It is NOT classified as either a shotgun or a pistol. Mossberg puts a copy of the ATF letter to them concerning this. A pistol + Shockwave is plenty of power. My hearing didn't suffer from duck blind hunting for years. Ducks don't wait for you to put in earplugs and "peaceful protestors" don't do anything rational.
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