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Old 09-01-2020, 02:32 PM   #76
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Yes, it was a new KAK 10.5" barrel but, in all fairness, I only tried a couple of different .223 (cheap, 55 grain) loads in it to see if it ran reliably. I didn't test anything else in it.
The build class sounds awesome! I generally only run Lake City ammo in my ARs, no issues there for me.
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My full size AR’s are Daniel Defense and LWRC. However, when looking for an AR pistol I didn’t want to spend that kind of money on a truck gun that could potentially be stolen. I bought a Palmetto State Armory AR pistol with a 10.5” barrel, O’Light and Sig Romeo 4H mounted on top. Bought the pistol late last year and got it on sale for $400. Zero’d at 50 meters. Shoots like a champ. Keep it under the back seat of my truck
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It would be costlier, but if you want something with a folding stock/brace with which you don't need it open to fire, and not a Sig MCX, there's also the Brownells BRN-180s upper, which is a piston-driven system modeled after the Stoner/Armalite AR-180 that has a self-contained recoil spring system within the receiver. So you can get one of their lowers or a regular AR lower and set it up with a folding brace. No need for a buffer or buffer spring.


https://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...rod127762.aspx

They had them on sale a little while back for a few hundred off...should have snagged one.
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I had a 12.5" 5.56 pistol build, but never really got on with it, and never really cared for the ballistics of a 5.56 in a short barrel, so I sold it to my brother. Still have a selection of 16" to 20" 5.56 rifles though.

I've also got an 8" PSA .300 BLK pistol, and a 12" Faxon/Aero homebuilt .300 BLK. But once the fun factor of running a can and subs wore off, and .300 ammo started drying up, I went a different direction.

I built a 12" 6.5 Grendel pistol specifically with the intention of running cheap but effective Wolf 100gr steel-cased ammo through it, since Bill Alexander designed it to work well with steel case (not to mention the parent case is a 7.62x39). Even today, Wolf is still getting stocked and still under $0.35/rd, while I'm still struggling to find .300 BLK or 5.56 for more than twice that cost.

Faxon 12" 1:8 5R barrel, Wojtek adjustable gas block, Brownells upper, STNGR handguard, Brownells bolt in a PSA BCG, JP Silent Capture Spring System, LAW Tactical Folder, Radian CH and ambi safety, Phase 5 ambi bolt release, SBA3 brace, Swampfox Arrowhead 1-10 LVPO, OLIGHT Odin and LaRue MBT-2S trigger, it's a great shooter that outpunches a 5.56 of any barrel length at any range, and matches a 300 BLK at the muzzle and downright shames it after about 100yds. Only "downside" is mag capacity, 24-25 rounds instead of 30 with a 5.56 or .300 in the same size mag.

It's my truck gun, it's my hog gun, it's a backpack gun, and it's one of my go-to HD guns. Shoots under 2MOA with Wolf, and a solid 1MOA with 123gr Hornady ELD-M or American Gunner. And I've still got thousands of rounds stacked up for it, even after taking it to the range weekly.

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Build it yourself and save. 5.56 if you want to minimize the calibers of ammo you have to keep on hand. If you want to shoot all day long tho, build one in 7.62x39. That ammo is still available in a few places, and the prices haven't gone us as much as other calibers.
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Some profound thoughts from Massad Ayoob that pertain particularly to the scenarios discussed here.....


https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/defense-against-mobs
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fotog, did you get enough information here, LOL!

I think you want another gun and you know there is only one cure. That ranch rifle is one of them but you already have that. My Mini-14 is one of my fav. guns. It can be just as devastating as an AR--whatever. I just like the Garand action.

Shockwave I say. If the sound of one doesn't get rid of a perp, the shot will. 12 gauge thru a 14" barrel is quite a shocking event. I don't even what to be on the wrong end of it.

I like mine but it doesn't hold many rounds. Look up how many shots are fired in the average deadly shooting.
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I had a 12.5" 5.56 pistol build, but never really got on with it, and never really cared for the ballistics of a 5.56 in a short barrel, so I sold it to my brother. Still have a selection of 16" to 20" 5.56 rifles though.

I've also got an 8" PSA .300 BLK pistol, and a 12" Faxon/Aero homebuilt .300 BLK. But once the fun factor of running a can and subs wore off, and .300 ammo started drying up, I went a different direction.

I built a 12" 6.5 Grendel pistol specifically with the intention of running cheap but effective Wolf 100gr steel-cased ammo through it, since Bill Alexander designed it to work well with steel case (not to mention the parent case is a 7.62x39). Even today, Wolf is still getting stocked and still under $0.35/rd, while I'm still struggling to find .300 BLK or 5.56 for more than twice that cost.

Faxon 12" 1:8 5R barrel, Wojtek adjustable gas block, Brownells upper, STNGR handguard, Brownells bolt in a PSA BCG, JP Silent Capture Spring System, LAW Tactical Folder, Radian CH and ambi safety, Phase 5 ambi bolt release, SBA3 brace, Swampfox Arrowhead 1-10 LVPO, OLIGHT Odin and LaRue MBT-2S trigger, it's a great shooter that outpunches a 5.56 of any barrel length at any range, and matches a 300 BLK at the muzzle and downright shames it after about 100yds. Only "downside" is mag capacity, 24-25 rounds instead of 30 with a 5.56 or .300 in the same size mag.

It's my truck gun, it's my hog gun, it's a backpack gun, and it's one of my go-to HD guns. Shoots under 2MOA with Wolf, and a solid 1MOA with 123gr Hornady ELD-M or American Gunner. And I've still got thousands of rounds stacked up for it, even after taking it to the range weekly.

Any info you can share of performance through that length of barrel as opposed to a comparable 18" barrel? Also, assuming recoil is still nice. Asking as I haven't researched but have thought 6.5 Grendel would be pretty good as an SBR/pistol.
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Any info you can share of performance through that length of barrel as opposed to a comparable 18" barrel? Also, assuming recoil is still nice. Asking as I haven't researched but have thought 6.5 Grendel would be pretty good as an SBR/pistol.
Here's the article that sealed the deal for me to build a short-barreled Grendel:

https://www.firearmsnews.com/editori...l-build/376314

You do lose performance over an 18" barrel, but it's still better performance from a 12" Grendel out to about 400-500 than you'd get out of a 20" 5.56.

Recoil is not bad, about the same as a .300 BLK with the same components, give or take. A good muzzle device helps tame most of that, at the cost of some noise, but even with a birdcage or no device at all, it's not bad, about on par with a full-size AK-47.
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AR pistols...

AR pistols, like bump stocks, while I support everyone’s right to waste money on either, I have no use for them.
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A man in our shooting group bought a Saint pistol in 7.62. After firing one round, we banned him from planet Earth. He switched to 300 Blackout subsonic and we allowed him to come back.
If you fire it in your house you'll be deaf for hours.

Another guy has a full-size 223 AR with a muzzle brake that looks like the ones on Abrams tanks. Fired it once and everybody on the firing line suffered their hair burning off. Also INCREDIBLY loud. I suspect it would peal wallpaper indoors.

Even 9mm that close to your face will be, ah, thrilling.

Get a suppressor, if you can. Otherwise put on electronic hearing protection before shooting. I keep a Peltor with my "night gun" for just that.

I've been trying every one I can get my hands on, and another guy in our group bought the S&W 9mm. I think that's the way I'd go.
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