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Old 10-31-2017, 08:16 AM   #136
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What would that look like? A civil war made up of people that don't like guns and +10 mags against those that do....

I think a series of precedent (pro rights) cases would need to proceed national carry legislation. Various oppressive state level laws would need to be challenged and overturned (which might altogether mitigate the issue), then sometime after that national legislation would be more likely.
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This shouldn't be funny, but I couldn't help laughing at the idea of California fighting a "civil war". With what?

California is the epitome of idiotic bureaucracy. The passing of such a law just means CCACCCs (California Citizens Against Concealed Carry for the Chilrends) would file a motion in court. California citizens are sheeple. The amount of oppression there backed by "law" has yet to produce a revolt.
I was thinking more about any state being somehow forced to loosen or give up their specific regulations to better comply with other states. Maybe 'civil war' wasn't quite the right term, but just imagine if the Federal Govt. somehow said to CA or MA that they can no longer ban 10+ magazines or AR's or a host of other firearms that were on their no-go lists so that a resident of NH or VT can carry in that other state just like they would in their own or any other state.

Point being that if there was national reciprocity, for gun owners I think it could possibly bring up more complications as to which gun and which mag in which state, etc. And if there were any ideas of 'standardization' across all states, it would be a mess.

Also, would this include Hawaii? Would they be forced into accepting it?

Worse yet, what if there was national reciprocity, but now every state would have to comply with CA or MA as the 'common denominator'? National 'assault weapon' and hi-cap bans all over again, only pistols with magazine safeties and loaded chamber indicators allowed, no Glocks, etc.

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Old 10-31-2017, 08:38 AM   #137
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As a liberal gun owner, I find this whole thread interesting.

On the one hand, I am completely in favor a single piece of federal legislation that supersedes all these specific and varied state laws. All this **** is far too complicated.

On the other hand, isn't it usually people on the right who are clamoring for states rights? In which case, wouldn't it be the right of each state to legislate CCW requirements as it sees fit?

Can't have it both ways...
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Old 10-31-2017, 08:49 AM   #138
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I kinda' think we're better off the way we are, along with a Utah permit or the like which is good for carry in a bunch of states, and just avoiding certain ones altogether.
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Yeah, I mean, I live in CA, I have nothing to lose with standardizing. It can't get much worse for 2A rights than it is here. But I sympathize with people who live in free states and don't want to compromise for the sake of simplicity.
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I'm in CT, and wish things would loosen up. But I'm contemplating moving to PA.
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Old 10-31-2017, 09:36 AM   #141
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I have been considering a move to Washington State or Arizona. Trouble is my wife works in a field that kind of limits where we can go.

I was okay with the 10 round limit, I'll just keep extra mags around. But the pointless neutering of rifles was the final kick that sent me looking elsewhere. It's too bad, really, I love the weather out here.
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I work in film, so there were a lot of reasons to head out to CA as one would imagine. But I just couldn't deal with the politics over there. It's tough enough being a part-time NYC resident as well. I'm not particularly right-leaning, either.
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I consider myself to be an independent, although I generally lean left on most issues, so the politics are a little more palatable to me. I came out here for the weather and the film industry as well (I used to do stunt work) but I don't do much of that work anymore, so moving looks like a better idea every year.
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The trouble is it's hard to find a state that really meshes with my political views. Most states seem to be pretty radical in one direction or the other.

Common sense seems damn uncommon these days
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The trouble is it's hard to find a state that really meshes with my political views. Most states seem to be pretty radical in one direction or the other.

Common sense seems damn uncommon these days
Move to Alaska. Plenty of moderates, independents and libertarians. Alaskans tend to be pragmatic by necessity. And lack of common sense can get you killed.
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I have no problem with National reciprocity with the stipulation that you must follow the laws of the state you are in. We have that now. I look up the specific laws in states that I am going to and I follow them. This is not to say I AGREE with the laws of that state, but I don't need to. I just want to be able to drive across the country without worrying about stopping and unloading, breaking down my pistol, putting the slide in the trunk and the lower in the glove box, etc, etc. It is a PITA now.

Both the Illinois DNR and the Illinois State Police have handouts with the "rules". They really make no sense and every item includes words like "usually" or if you have a FOID card. I always print out a copy and keep it with parts of my disassembled weapon to prove that I at least am TRYING. Since the rules either conflict with each other or includes things like "with an FOID", I am not sure it is even possible to totally comply.
https://www.dnr.illinois.gov/hunting...armlegally.pdf

https://maxonshooters.com/wp-content...-Transport.pdf

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I said essentially in an earlier post in this thread what GCBHM was conveying. Take the Constitution out of the discussion if you would (I know that sounds wrong) and just look at what specific states AGs and then liberal federal court judges are capable of. A Federal 50 state reciprocity law is a non starter. Just sticking with the issue of guns and not getting bogged down in marijuana laws, immigration, Transgender restrooms, or other lightning rod issues, states are going to legislate the way they legislate. It doesn't even have to be the will of the voters in many cases. One AG from a once great state eliminated AR15 platforms in the middle of the night last summer based on vague and non specific language in the 1995 AWB Federal law. ONE person made that decision and the Republican governor stuck his head in the sand. No referendum, no ballot measure, nada. Other states in the meantime have little or no restrictions on "Assault Weapons", silencers, etc. The bottom line is that you have only so many years to play with your toys, whatever they might be. Choose a state wisely. You wanna smoke chronic, you know where to live. You want to live in a big brother city and be a dude in a dress, you know where to go. You want gun rights that are in line with the existing threat level (from guess who?), you know where NOT to live. As soon as our last child flips their HS mortarboard in the air, I'm driving home and planting the For Sale sign in the front of the property. 50 state reciprocity is a waste of time, will be a lawyers fantasy land, and a pipe dream (no offense to Colorado intended). Here's a toast to the Republic lasting that long. Cheers!
Indeed! Someone gets it. Cheers, Mate!
I have been off the board for a few months and have been tracking this as it comes out in the news occasionally. The bill is based on the commerce clause authorities of the Federal government and has little to do with your 2A rights to be free of intrusion by that same government. It's a 2A rights land grab by the feds that once instituted, can be undone in one fell swoop.

This is a states rights issue as much as it is a 2A issue. There will of course be pushback and noncompliance from anti 2A states, states that are pro 2A will get lazy and eliminate the actions needed to encourage state to state reciprocity, and the worst case scenario will be the government knee jerking to a firearms catastrophe of some sort that involves transportation of the firearm(s) across state lines. Legally.

At that point they'll initiate the most Draconian measures they have within their authorities, and revoke that authority with extreme prejudice. National reciprocity will be dead, state to state reciprocity will have mostly or fully expired, and we'll all be twiddling our thumbs inside our own states saying what now?

This is a truly bad idea and people that already enjoy average or better reciprocity because their states actually care don't want this. Consequently, those living in anti gunner blue states and are trapped there want this more than anything. They would gladly sacrifice the rights of others for their short term satisfaction so that they may or may not be allowed to exercise reciprocity NOW. And then lose it at some point whenever the nanny state says the party's over and pulls it's commerce clause authorities.
This bill is a Trojan horse if there's ever been one. Stop supporting it if you care about 2A rights and the rights of your neighbors.
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Old 11-15-2017, 04:25 AM   #148
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I have been considering a move to Washington State or Arizona.
Arizona would not be a bad choice. Their carry permit is recognized in a lot of other states. The californication of Washington is why I was not sad to move from there to Texas. If you do move there don't be surprised to see CA type goofy legislation catch up with you.
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I have no problem with National reciprocity with the stipulation that you must follow the laws of the state you are in. We have that now. I look up the specific laws in states that I am going to and I follow them. This is not to say I AGREE with the laws of that state, but I don't need to. I just want to be able to drive across the country without worrying about stopping and unloading, breaking down my pistol, putting the slide in the trunk and the lower in the glove box, etc, etc. It is a PITA now.
Not really, try driving across New York with a handgun in your vehicle. Better not get caught.

I recently did a road trip to Maine, and I wanted to carry my Sig. Didn't bother to contact Ohio as I know they honor my CPL, I have had 2 DOT inspections and the cops never batted an eye about me being armed.Called PA..OK as they honor my permit. Called NY...absolutely not, if you're caught with a handgun in your possession you do not pass GO, it's straight to jail and your weapon is confiscated.
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