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Old 12-06-2017, 06:56 PM   #166
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Concealed carry reciprocity passed the house in a bipartisan vote 231-198.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017...ry-reciprocity

Up to the Senate now. I'm sure they'll come up with different legislation and by the time they reconcile them for Trump to sign in to law we'll not recognize it. But it's finally a step in the right direction. I hear that many dem reps are under pressure from their pro-gun constituents to support this. We'll see!

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Old 12-06-2017, 07:08 PM   #167
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I hear that 14 Republican Congressmen voted against the bill. Could somebody post the names of the 14? Those people should not be re-elected.
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^do you know why they voted against the bill?

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Conservative Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) held the mirror opposite position of Democrats who voted against the legislation: he supports concealed-carry reciprocity but didn’t want the background check measure attached.

"It throws millions of dollars at a faulty program and it will result in more law-abiding citizens being deprived of their right to keep and bear arms,"

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Old 12-06-2017, 08:15 PM   #169
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Apparently they amended it to include all or part of HR4477 "fix the NICS" bill to it. I've read/heard it from a couple of places but haven't been able to verify yet. The GOA was still supporting the bill last I saw and don't think they would if that was the case.

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They'll just ban concealed carry in their states. Universal reciprocity only applies to states that have legal concealed carry.
I am not sure. My understanding is that as long as the weapon you carried was not banned or over the magazine capacity limit, the whole point is that you take your home CCW laws with you wherever you go?

I suppose they could try a handgun ban but good luck, lol.
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...My understanding is that as long as the weapon you carried was not banned or over the magazine capacity limit, the whole point is that you take your home CCW laws with you wherever you go?
Nope. "Reciprocity" means exactly that: a concealed weapons privilege recognized in one state shall be recognized as equal to another state's privilege if any such privilege is granted. States that don't allow their own citizens to carry concealed weapons don't have to allow citizens of other states to do so.

Here's what the bill says:

"Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017

"This bill amends the federal criminal code to allow a qualified individual to carry a concealed handgun into or possess a concealed handgun in another state that allows individuals to carry concealed firearms.

"A qualified individual must: (1) be eligible to possess, transport, or receive a firearm under federal law; (2) carry a valid photo identification document; and (3) carry a valid concealed carry permit issued by, or be eligible to carry a concealed firearm in, his or her state of residence.

"Additionally, the bill specifies that a qualified individual who lawfully carries or possesses a concealed handgun in another state: (1) is not subject to the federal prohibition on possessing a firearm in a school zone, and (2) may carry or possess the concealed handgun in federally owned lands that are open to the public."
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Nope. "Reciprocity" means exactly that: a concealed weapons privilege recognized in one state shall be recognized as equal to another state's privilege if any such privilege is granted. States that don't allow their own citizens to carry concealed weapons don't have to allow citizens of other states to do so.

Here's what the bill says:

"Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017

"This bill amends the federal criminal code to allow a qualified individual to carry a concealed handgun into or possess a concealed handgun in another state that allows individuals to carry concealed firearms."
Right, but as of right now, there are no states that ban CC completely, right? Obviously some states make it harder than others, but no state makes it categorically impossible.

Or is there some other nuance I am missing?

I understand the distinction, btw, and appreciate the clarification

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Right, but as of right now, there are no states that ban CC completely, right?
Correct...as of right now. Changes can go both ways.

When I graduated from the USAF Police Academy in 1976 there were at least 16 states that banned concealed carry. It wasn't until 2013 that the last holdout surrendered, but many states still make it all but impossible to get the permits they claim to issue. This bill may make it easier to get a permit, or it could have the opposite effect and cause gunshy states to retreat to their former "no concealed carry" positions. Time will tell.
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Correct...as of right now. Changes can go both ways.

When I graduated from the USAF Police Academy in 1976 there were at least 16 states that banned concealed carry. It wasn't until 2013 that the last holdout surrendered, but many states still make it all but impossible to get the permits they claim to issue. This bill may make it easier to get a permit, or it could have the opposite effect and cause gunshy states to retreat to their former "no concealed carry" positions. Time will tell.
Problem with that is that the Supreme court has already taken a position on that (DC) where a outright ban was overturned.
That means that IF this passes the senate and conference committee, that Licenses in Arizona will be permissible in California, and that Virginia will be permissible in Maryland.

I can see the bodies stacking up as the heads explode.
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... the Supreme court has already taken a position on that (DC) where a outright ban was overturned.
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District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

The Supreme Court expressly held:

The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment. The District’s total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of “arms” that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition—in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute—would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional. Because Heller conceded at oral argument that the D. C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy his prayer for relief and does not address the licensing requirement. Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home. Pp. 56–64.

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I hear that 14 Republican Congressmen voted against the bill. Could somebody post the names of the 14? Those people should not be re-elected.
H.R. 38 Vote Details

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There's nothing there about CONCEALED carry in public. That ruling is about carrying a gun in one's home.
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it would be interesting to know the reason/s each of the 14 Rs had for voting no.
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^ I sent an email to my rep (PA 7th) who voted against it asking what his rationale was for a no vote. I also noted I voted for him, but based on his reply, I may not vote for him again next go around.
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