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Old 12-14-2017, 02:57 AM   #211
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10/6/17 — DC Now Shall Issue. Note Updated in How to Apply Section. Wording Struck Through. May Issue to Shall Issue

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Thank you. My point was even with the carry permit, there still blocked from being able to actually carry anywhere.


How a ‘baffling’ backdoor D.C. gun ban thwarts concealed-carry permit holders
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Old 12-14-2017, 12:28 PM   #212
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Yeah, I live in CT which is already a pretty anti-gun state. I have a sneaking apprehensions that if NR passes, they'll change magazine capacity limits to five rounds and require smart guns with chain locks for those who wish to carry...which they can only do in areas that don't have air. Part of the 'Breathing Protection Act'.

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Old 12-14-2017, 04:03 PM   #213
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One problem in DC is that there are probably over 30 law enforcement agencies resident within city limits. I have given thought to going through the process to get a non-resident permit just so I don't have to go home first to drop my EDC off before heading downtown, in theory I can have my sidearm and keep it in the car.
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Thank you. My point was even with the carry permit, there still blocked from being able to actually carry anywhere.


How a ‘baffling’ backdoor D.C. gun ban thwarts concealed-carry permit holders
FYI I live in DC and have a concealed carry permit here, one of the first since the end of "Good cause" requirement.

That map is simply incorrect. professor Lott, who certainly does do a lot of good work, is not an firearms attorney, and not an attorney at all. His work on statistics of gun usage, carry outcomes, defensive gun use, etc is all top rate, but he does NOT know the subject of DC code.

What he is referring to there, and extrapolating that nonsense map from is language in the DC code that is similar to lots of jurisdictions that increase penalties around school zones. That section of code does NOT create prohibitions of carry at all any more than "school zone" signs for drivers or "drug free school zones" for drugs. If you run a stop sign in a school zone the fine and points can double, if you sell crack in a "drug free school zone" the crime can be converted up and penalty increased. BUT enhanced driving penalty school zones do not mean licence drivers, going the speed limit and not running stop signs, are prohibited from even driving past a school. And walking home form the pharmacy with your controlled, but legal, prescription and past a school does not mean you are committing a crime.

If you notice, the code section he refers to has NO PENALTIES, only an increase of a penalty. A penalty for what? For committing an illegal act such as shooting someone, using a gun in a crime etc. What that law is about is that if you commit an armed robbery withing 1,000 of a school, the penalty is doubled. It has nothing to do with legal carry where you commit no actual crime.

I work with attorneys who deal specifically in criminal code and Prof. Lot is 100% wrong. None of the attorneys who teach the legal module in Dc required training and are accredited as experts in gun law, agree with Lott, in fact no firearms law attornys do.

DC has plenty of hassles. I've worked directly to support getting rid of DC's ban on ownership since 2005, leading up to Heller. I was not a party to Heller II or III or Grace and Wrenn (carry) but i worked to support that fight.

DC has plenty of minefields for carriers -- but NOT Lott's claimed ones.
This is the DC list of prohibitions:
https://beta.code.dccouncil.us/dc/co...-2509.07.html#

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IF Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act actually passes, Im wondering how fast many blue states are going to make locals laws to have the similar results or worse; purposely pushing things to set "examples" out of people.
Lots of states already have the same laws increasing penalties for gun, drug or driving crimes committed in 500' to 1,000 school zones. DC's code increasing penalties goes back to the 1930's and is complete unrelated to legal carry.

On the issue of the latest legislation on National Reciprocity, passage in the House was expected, as well as virtually no chance for passage in the Senate is expected (and there would not even be a vote sooner than mid spring 2018). The Senate is going to take eight or nine Democrats to cross the aisle and support it. With Schumer, from NY (ie a lot of skin in the game to block it) leading the Democrats as Minority Leader-- passage in the Senate is extremely unlikely.
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One problem in DC is that there are probably over 30 law enforcement agencies resident within city limits. I have given thought to going through the process to get a non-resident permit just so I don't have to go home first to drop my EDC off before heading downtown, in theory I can have my sidearm and keep it in the car.
Right now in there are about 3,900 DC cops, plus about 3,000 federal agents who can carry. There are about 3,500 non LEO resident and non resident, wiht about 7,000 guns registered, who can possess in DC.

There were about 150 "good cause" non-LEO CCL licences awarded before the final Oct 5 decision by DC AG and council not to oppose district panel decision to remove good cause requirement. There are hundred who were denied who re-applied , and all the classes are full and it is likely there will be at least 2,000 resident and non resident CCL in DC by February. probably settling in at about 3,000-4,000 by end of 2018.


If you want to know something funny, the peer reviewed academic studies cited by gun control groups say 25.9% of DC residents own guns.
Do the math:
DC population 680,000.
DC gun owners @ 25.9%: 176,000
Legal gun owners: 3,500 (civilain) to 11,000 (civilian+local/fed LEO)
People in criminal possession of guns in DC: one in four/ at least 165,000
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Why havent WE THE PEOPLE told our states and DC who the hell they work for?
We have a Bill of Rights. Stop arguing what they are and what the intent was. Its pretty clear..
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In the beginning, the Klu Klux Klan and the DC city council agreed that DC residents should not be able to own firearms.
Among came desegregation and this was amended to include White People.
This was in the 1970s.
With the exception of Carl Rowan, no figure of consequence who was a DC resident has ever been successfully charged with a firearms crime has ever suffered anything beyond a “Lost booking slip.
The FBI agents who arrested Marion Barry were transferred to Kansas, and forgotten at the end of Barry’s plea bargain.
There is no intelligent political life north of the Potomac River.
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Why havent WE THE PEOPLE told our states and DC who the hell they work for?
We have a Bill of Rights. Stop arguing what they are and what the intent was. Its pretty clear..
Because they promise to bring back coal and invalidate NAFTA and keep pot illegal/make pot legal ???
We fail to ask the correct 1st questions.

There was a local guy that would attend city council meetings with his side by side, we made that illegal.
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Why havent WE THE PEOPLE told our states and DC who the hell they work for?
We have a Bill of Rights. Stop arguing what they are and what the intent was. Its pretty clear..
I dont see anyone here arguing against the bill of rights. Unfortunate, we have laws which do infringe but which can put you in prison. I was just trying to explain the DC law. I have followed it, put some money and time behind fighting it from Heller I, II, III other threatened suits, and Grace/Wrenn (carry).

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With the exception of Carl Rowan, no figure of consequence who was a DC resident has ever been successfully charged with a firearms crime has ever suffered anything beyond a “Lost booking slip..
True. And Rowan argued for total gun bans pages of the Post for YEARs when it turned out the whole time he was in felony possession. The disgusting hypocrite shot an unarmed teen for being in his pool!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_R...ng_controversy
We even had a member of Congress with a DC prohibited AR-15 get off with nothing as he and the police mumbled complete BS about bolt carrier not installed making it inoperable.
If I had an AR-15 with no bolt carrier in DC I would get at least five years. You can have a ruger mini14 ranch version, or an Ares/Fightlite SCR legally as they have no grip below the action. But you cannot have even just a lower of an actual AR and he did.


But my point is we have had some hard won victories in DC. it is less time consuming and takes less time to acquire a handgun for home defense in DC than in NJ or Maryland. And you can get a CCL unlike NJ and Maryland where it is essentially impossible. And there are literally hundreds of handguns legal in DC that are illegal in California.

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The NR bill is pretty much DOA after being overcome by events and the associated hysteria in 2018. This recent National Review article suggests a legislative solution that would apply pressure to the solving of the states spiderweb of 2A infringements and a possibile constitutional intervention not involving SCOTUS. Good article and food for thought if Congress is in good shape past the midterms.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...ct-to-enforce/
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The NR bill is pretty much DOA after being overcome by events and the associated hysteria in 2018. This recent National Review article suggests a legislative solution that would apply pressure to the solving of the states spiderweb of 2A infringements and a possibile constitutional intervention not involving SCOTUS. Good article and food for thought if Congress is in good shape past the midterms.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...ct-to-enforce/
Good article - draws a compelling parallel between the Democrat nullification of the post-civil war amendments and their present day attempt to nullify the 2nd amendment.
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Good article - draws a compelling parallel between the Democrat nullification of the post-civil war amendments and their present day attempt to nullify the 2nd amendment.
It appears that big banks are doing what liberals have been attempting via Congress.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/...big-banks.html
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Why havent WE THE PEOPLE told our states and DC who the hell they work for?
Sadly, Americans have become very ignorant. Some people don't even know how many states we have - you'll hear anything from 48 to 52.

We are a nation that doesn't realize that elections for The House of Representatives (both upper and lower) are much more important to our every day lives and directly impact us, while presidential elections more so affects international rather domestic issues.

Once we as a people, as a nation - begin to really education one another in the power we have in the form of our rights, then we can expect change.

I've been considering running for office just to educate people.

Why do do debates even matter when we don't even hold politicians accountable for answering the questions we ask of them. How are we electing them, and most importantly why.

Once we as a people learn the value in asking how and why - and really embrace it in every day life, we'll be on a path to less ignorance.

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