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Old 12-07-2016, 02:00 PM   #46
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Some other info from various sites i ran across.

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Representative Hudson heard Trump loud and clear and is ready to push the legislation that recognizes the right to carry nationally. Hudson’s bill will also contain language that recognizes permitless carry laws where they exist. This means residents from a state where no permit is required to exercise Second Amendment rights will be able to carry concealed in every state without a permit. They would just need government-issued identification proving they are in fact a resident of a permitless carry state.
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The text of the proposal, first reported by the Caller, would prevent more restrictive states from prohibiting those from out of state from legally carrying a gun. It would require those carrying a gun to also carry the permit from their state and government-issued picture ID. They would also be required to follow the state’s laws on concealed carry.

The law would also allow anybody who is wrongfully prosecuted for carrying in a neighboring state to seek lawyers fees from that state.

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The Bill’s proposed language mandates that a person “may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device)” in any state that currently “has a statute under which residents of the State may apply for a license or permit to carry concealed firearm” or where Vermont-style “Constitutional Carry” is the law of the land. To fall under the protection of the proposed law while visiting highly restrictive locales (e.g., New York City), licensed citizens would be required to:

(1) Carry the valid license on their persons;

(2) Carry a “valid identification document containing a photograph of the person (not as silly as it sounds; Arizona, for instance, does not have photographs on its Concealed Weapons Licenses.)

(3) Follow the laws of that state concerning “no-go” areas for carry. The bill pointedly states that it does not supersede State laws that “permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property….”

This isn’t a “go where you want” pass akin to what the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act, which preempts state and local firearms carry laws (though not federal law) for current and retired police officers. Under this Bill, local gun laws still apply. If you’re in Texas, that 30.06 sign at your local Whole Foods means you need to leave your shooting iron behind or forego your organic curried chickpea soup. If you’re in Massachusetts, you can’t carry a mag that holds more than 10 rounds. Etc.

The Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017 doesn’t specify a residency requirement. So, for example, a resident of New York City who obtained a Utah Concealed Firearm Permit could legally carry a firearm in The Big Apple. (I suspect that would make a certain billionaire plutocrat rather cross.)
this apparently is the actual bill, its short which is promising but i haven't been able read through the whole thing

http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/up...ep.-Hudson.pdf
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The tough part of this is the question of which rights are most sacrosanct. Is it the rights the federal government has gathered to itself, or the rights the states have assumed, or the rights guaranteed to individual citizens by the Constitution? Should the feds or the states be allowed to violate the rights of the individual?
As per the Bill of Rights, NO!!!

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First off Good to see Malicious and his M 400 at the start of this thread.
I know he lives on here, but I miss MC.

I don't want DC anywhere near this.
What DC touches, DC takes over completely.

I also know how Ks. Tx. And Ok. Handle self defense shootings.
I don't know prosecutors in other States, and won't carry where I don't know my rights.
Unless it's done by the Fed, it won't happen in my lifetime, cause you won't get the liberal states like CA to ever come around of their own accord. We'll need an supportive decision from SCOTUS for that.

If a 50 state reciprocity bill makes it through Congress and is signed into Federal law. Then after some visitor in one of the lib states will get tagged for CCW, even though they have an out-of-state permit, it'll wend it's way through the court system and the law will be confirmed or not by the Supreme Court.
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About time!!!

Hope Bill passes!

In Pennsylvania, we have Open Carry and CCW rules. It's so weird that I can walk down my street with a loaded shotgun or rifle, or even a pistol, in plain view of the public. No laws broken. May cause curious neighbors to call the local police though, but within my legal rights.

If I put my P238 in my pocket or a P225 in a IWB holster, or a 229 in my glove box, I need to have a CCW permit.

While traveling, you need to know State laws of what is legal. May have to stop car at State borders and put mag in trunk and gun in glove box. Then reload when it's legal in another state.

So strange!!!
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Hope Bill passes!

In Pennsylvania, we have Open Carry and CCW rules. It's so weird that I can walk down my street with a loaded shotgun or rifle, or even a pistol, in plain view of the public. No laws broken. May cause curious neighbors to call the local police though, but within my legal rights.

If I put my P238 in my pocket or a P225 in a IWB holster, or a 229 in my glove box, I need to have a CCW permit.

While traveling, you need to know State laws of what is legal. May have to stop car at State borders and put mag in trunk and gun in glove box. Then reload when it's legal in another state.

So strange!!!
Well if this passes you'd still have to know and abide by the laws of the state you're traveling in. So, things like magazine capacity restrictions could get you in trouble if you're not paying attention.

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^^^^ Exactly, Read the attached: 'Honest mistake' leads to Philly mother facing three years on gun charge | Fox News
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Crossing State Lines.

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Well if this passes you'd still have to know and abide by the laws of the state you're traveling in. So, things like magazine capacity restrictions could get you in trouble if you're not paying attention.

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Perhaps a Federal CC permit will only apply to registered guns and be limited in capacity. Is that okay?
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Well if this passes you'd still have to know and abide by the laws of the state you're traveling in. So, things like magazine capacity restrictions could get you in trouble if you're not paying attention.

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Perhaps a Federal CC permit will only apply to registered guns and be limited in capacity. Is that okay?

NO.
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I have had a Fla. CCL for a number of years and have my residence in Maryland. I am hoping this proposed new law will cover me for MD.
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Glad to see we are all on the same page...
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It would be a Federal Law. It would not be enforced by all states, NY/CA/MD etc etc. States can and will do what they want.
Now, if someone took it all the way to the SCOTUS.....
Peruta v. California - if accepted, this case will be ruled on this term.
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Well if this passes you'd still have to know and abide by the laws of the state you're traveling in. So, things like magazine capacity restrictions could get you in trouble if you're not paying attention.

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And it's not that alone. My permit is not presently recognized by Oregon, so I have to lock my pistol in my glove box while driving through Oregon. I may leave it loaded. Except that the cities of Portland and Oregon City have their own ordinances that say it must be UNLOADED. I don't know what the affect would be if I obtained an Oregon permit, which is possible. In other words, I don't know if a person with a recognized permit must unload in those two cities. That would be nuts, but it would not surprise me in Oregon.
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And it's not that alone. My permit is not presently recognized by Oregon, so I have to lock my pistol in my glove box while driving through Oregon. I may leave it loaded. Except that the cities of Portland and Oregon City have their own ordinances that say it must be UNLOADED. I don't know what the affect would be if I obtained an Oregon permit, which is possible. In other words, I don't know if a person with a recognized permit must unload in those two cities. That would be nuts, but it would not surprise me in Oregon.
It may set up a Supreme Court decision that could nullify all of the state laws that regulate capacity, loaded/unloaded/locked, and complete bans like NY and DC.

One could hope at least.

I would think that a national reciprocity bill would have to have a lot of these things figured out, and even then a liberal Fed judge somewhere will try to stop it, setting up a Supreme Court decision.

With the balance of power in the court towards the 2nd stronger (but maybe not strong enough) and having control of House, Senate, and Presidency, the time is now to get all the state infringements on the 2nd completely thrown out as unconstitutional.
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