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|02-25-2019, 06:01 AM||#1|
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Ron Cohen in the news again.
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|02-25-2019, 07:33 AM||#4|
Interesting. The article states that the trial is to begin tomorrow. So is Cohen going to be there? If not, will he be tried in absentia? And either way, if he is convicted of breaking German law and sentenced to prison, will he be extradited by the US?
|02-25-2019, 09:36 AM||#6|
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He's not going to be extradited, he is the reason for all the new contracts with the defense department. The German's are not exactly in good graces with our current administration, he'll be protected.
|02-25-2019, 10:01 AM||#7|
I agree that it is rather unlikely that he would be sentenced to any jail time if convicted, and even less likely that he would be extradited. But I suspect he will show up for the trial because he will forfeit a 5 million Euro bail bond if he does not.
Most likely, this case is an attempt to wrest a sizable, multi-million dollar fine from SIG Sauer by embarrassing the CEO of a US gunmaker that has just been awarded a huge contract by the DOD. But if the evidence that has so far surfaced bears scrutiny, I think the Kiel prosecutors have a reasonable chance of accomplishing that.
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|02-27-2019, 02:48 AM||#10|
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I really am of two minds on this.
1. The guy did a dirty deal and needs to pay for it.
2. The guy has basically saved Sig and needs to get credit for it.
I see a fine, and suspended jail time. Just like what happened to HK. Only thing I would like to see different is the fine getting paid directly from Cohen's pocket and not the company.
|02-27-2019, 03:32 AM||#11|
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|02-27-2019, 04:22 AM||#12|
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|02-27-2019, 04:56 AM||#13|
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As an international company, Cohen should have been smart enough to avoid this. He should have been well aware that German made guns had rules attached to them when he sold them to the US Government for delivery to the Colombians. He could have either asked the Germans for permission (Yeah, they would have said Nein!) or produced more US made guns for delivery (and cut into commercial sales, but choices had to be made). But he chose to make a fast buck by ignoring German laws, where his company has a huge presence. Wonder why Sig Germany no longer exports guns? And why you no longer can get mastershop SiGs? Look at Cohen's boneheaded move.
I am not a fan of Cohen. Yes, he saved SiG. But at what cost? Quality Control went down hill. He's tried several 'cost cutting' ideas that have cheapened the brand. Going with CheckMate over MecGar for mags? Skimping on Nitride a few years ago leaving the insides un-coated in spots? SiG-Tac accessories that make knock-off Chinese AirSoft look like good? Multiple Generations of guns to fix the bugs that buyers discover instead of engineers and testers? Pushing products out the door before they are ready? Cohen may not have junked the brand like Freedom Group did to Marlin and Remington, but I no longer see Sig as a premium brand.
Maybe SiG-USA replacing Cohen will help get Sig back to where they belong. Dumping him and bringing quality back will justify the premium price SiG likes to place on their products.
|02-27-2019, 09:06 AM||#14|
The current relationship between what is now called "SIG SAUER" and before October 2007 was called "SIGARMS" and other European entities remains murky to me. Maybe others here have more insight and can clarify.
Most of us know that "S.I.G." (Schweizerische Industrie Gesellschaft) was a Swiss company with a history extending back to the mid 19th century that once made firearms. As a result of Swiss restrictions on the export of military firearms, S.I.G. acquired the German arms maker "J.P. Sauer & Sohn GmbH" in the 1970s to form "SIG-Sauer" of West Germany and to allow for commercial exploitation of the world market.
SIGARMS, Inc. was established in Virginia in 1985 for the importation of SIG-Sauer pistols to the US. But I do not know if it was originally US-owned, foreign-owned, or a combination of both, but I believe that it was initially an American branch of SIG-Sauer. In 2000 the original S.I.G. decided to divest itself of all firearms manufacture and sales and no longer has anything to do with firearms. At that time two German entrepreneurs, Michael Lueke and Thomas Ortmeier, formed L&O Holding, GmbH & Co. KG, and acquired SIG Arms AG, forming Swiss Arms AG. Firearms companies under the Swiss Arms umbrella included SIG Sauer GmbH (Eckernförde, Germany), what was then SIGARMS (New Hampshire, USA), and SAN Swiss Arms (Neuhausen am Rheinfall, Switzerland).
SIG Sauer Gmbh &Co. KG is still a going concern with a modern website, etc. If you look at their company overview you will find the following statement:
"The company is based in Eckernförde, Germany with subsidiaries in Exeter, New Hampshire; and Neuhausen, Switzerland. SIG SAUER GmbH & Co. KG operates as a subsidiary of L&O Holding GmbH & Co. KG."
A statement on the SIG Sauer (USA) website states:
"SIG SAUER is headquartered in Newington, New Hampshire on a sprawling campus at Pease International Tradeport with locations in Epping, Exeter and Dover, New Hampshire, an Electro-Optics facility in Wilsonville, Oregon and a state-of-the-art ammunitions facility in Jacksonville, Arkansas. SIG SAUER is an ISO 9001 certified company with over 1,600 employees. We are the largest member of a worldwide business group of firearms manufacturers that includes J.P. Sauer & Sohn and Blaser, Gmbh. in Germany. This global network of companies gives us a world-class firearms knowledge base, unparalleled design expertise, and extensive manufacturing capacity."
According to the NPR article, Michael Lueke was charged by German prosecutors along with Ron Cohen. According to a German news article, the indictment made against Cohen and others was in April of last year, and there had been a Europe-wide warrant for Cohen's arrest since August of last year and Cohen certainly had to know both of these facts. Which sort of begs the question, why did Cohen fly to Frankfurt last November? Unless of course, he had no choice.
It would be no easy matter for SIG Sauer, Inc (USA) to sever relationships with European entities if it where in fact owned by a German holding company. And yes, pistols made by J.P. Sauer & Sohn are banned from import to SIG Sauer, Inc USA since July 2014 because of this and similar sales issues judged to have been illegal under German law. Here is an article from 2014 that shows this issue has been brewing for some time:
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|02-28-2019, 06:42 AM||#15|
No jail time for Cohen. Just a suspended sentence and "large fine".
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