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Old 06-19-2019, 08:06 AM   #16
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Except I think most reporters wouldn’t report the third party statement of “yeah I called the company and they said they can’t guarantee out of the box quality” which would mean maybe a really inexperienced reporter.
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Old 06-19-2019, 09:50 AM   #17
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I don't think the reason for switching from 9mm was over penetration. From everything I've ever read they (as in most LE agencies) wanted more "stopping power" and the 9mm at the time just wasn't enough.

Hence why 10mm and 40 came about.

That being said, Id be curious what Sig's they ordered. I'm inclined to assume it was the P320 since that's what a few agencies around here went with.

As for the FBI going back to 9mm......That was done in LARGE part because the guns were cheaper....the ammo was cheaper......and because they cant hit the broad side of a barn 98% of the time they wanted to have more rounds.

The FBI going back to 9mm is not really based on a "better 9mm bullet technology" way of thinking.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:14 AM   #18
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Overpenetration and lack of stopping power are not necessarily different things.

Expansion is important, marksmanship more so.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:15 AM   #19
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The whole thing smells of departmental politics to me. As in somebody wanted to switch to Glock and somebody else was recommending staying with the company they knew and trusted. So somebody "found" a defect that wasn't really a defect in order to leverage the switch.

Do you really believe that if Sig had an entire batch of guns with a defective part that they wouldn't fix it and back it with a guarantee that they would make it right? The "Sig wouldn't guarantee" statement sounds a lot like what Sig tells customers who send guns back with problems that Sig doesn't believe is really a problem.
My opinion as well. Read the whole article and my first thought was BS...someone got promoted and fabricated a bunch of stories to justify something they wanted to do. It’s Maryland...Lying about everything is policy.
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Except I think most reporters wouldn’t report the third party statement of “yeah I called the company and they said they can’t guarantee out of the box quality” which would mean maybe a really inexperienced reporter.
I agree fully. Was trying to say she knows nothing about firearms or the bulk purchase of them. Her knowledge is superficial, and only enough to clear her Editor.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:25 AM   #21
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Grayguns uses the SIG factory stamped steel safety lever (LEVER-9). But his sear is bar-stock.
Absolutely correct. I went back and corrected that in my original post. My proofreading skills are equal to my typing skills. For what that’s worth.
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I don't think the reason for switching from 9mm was over penetration. From everything I've ever read they (as in most LE agencies) wanted more "stopping power" and the 9mm at the time just wasn't enough.

Hence why 10mm and 40 came about.

That being said, Id be curious what Sig's they ordered. I'm inclined to assume it was the P320 since that's what a few agencies around here went with.

As for the FBI going back to 9mm......That was done in LARGE part because the guns were cheaper....the ammo was cheaper......and because they cant hit the broad side of a barn 98% of the time they wanted to have more rounds.

The FBI going back to 9mm is not really based on a "better 9mm bullet technology" way of thinking.
You are correct. However, the switch to 9mm besides costs was the time involved in training to use and remain proficient with the 40. With the influx of more female agents and less robust males in the Famous(F) But( Incompetent(I) they found as a lot of departments that the aforementioned personnel could not qualify repeatedly and accurately control the 40. I've witnessed this myself with both rookies as well as seasoned officers. As stated by another poster; Qualification occurs once a year and around 50 rounds fired. Tactical units qualify on average once every month with hundreds of rounds fired. I wont even go into training officers, mostly female with the shotgun. Hence why our department moved from the 870 to the 1100 Remington. They just couldn't operate the pump safely (lack of arm reach on average)
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The whole article is a bit bizarre.
They stopped carrying 9mm due to overpenetration concerns?
A suspect gets back to his "own" car.......and smashes a window?
Officer drawing his weapon........fires into the dirt?

Sounds like a complete clown show.
That and incompetent "reporting".
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You are correct. However, the switch to 9mm besides costs was the time involved in training to use and remain proficient with the 40. With the influx of more female agents and less robust males in the Famous(F) But( Incompetent(I) they found as a lot of departments that the aforementioned personnel could not qualify repeatedly and accurately control the 40. I've witnessed this myself with both rookies as well as seasoned officers. As stated by another poster; Qualification occurs once a year and around 50 rounds fired. Tactical units qualify on average once every month with hundreds of rounds fired. I wont even go into training officers, mostly female with the shotgun. Hence why our department moved from the 870 to the 1100 Remington. They just couldn't operate the pump safely (lack of arm reach on average)
That is also true. I didnt think of that in my original post.

Another point is the FBI rarely actually fires a shot. Most law enforcement related shootings, at least from my studying and reading, is local/state agencies.

So the FBI pencil pushers who decide "carry this with that ammo" probably dont see much of a point getting a higher caliber gun when the probability of use is low anyway.

That being said, 9mm for general purpose in the right loading isnt horrible and will get most jobs done.
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Definitely unusual but it happens. Unfortunate they ended up in these guys hands, but it happen
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