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Old 08-20-2019, 04:09 AM   #1
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California Governor Signs Law to Limit Shootings by Police

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Old 08-20-2019, 05:14 AM   #2
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You can't fix stupid! -- worse yet, you can't fix the scourge of corrupt, pandering CA politicians.
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You can't fix stupid! -- worse yet, you can't fix the scourge of corrupt, pandering CA politicians.
"will change California's existing lethal force standards to require that deadly force may only be used when necessary."

I have not read the actual law, however, the stated change is not what many/most would call stupid. In my state and I suspect most states the mere failure to follow a "Lawful Order" is justification for use of physical force by police. IE the command "Halt" if not immediately followed can result bad things for you. We have had deaf people shot for continuing to walk. Some people consider shooting folks with their hands empty just for not following a verbal command to be a bit of a problem.

I suspect the police union is concerned about the term "Necessary".

Will there be law suits, yes. It comes with the territory.
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The police unions bought off in this, so they must think it's not terrible. There was lots of opposition to it originally.

The governor needs to sign a law about not being stupid when stopped by police. This one thing would literally prevent all police shootings.
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He should just sign a bill legalizing crime. Then you won’t need any police.
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He should just sign a bill legalizing crime. Then you won’t need any police.

shhhhhhhhhhh, don't say that too loud!!
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This tends to make a LEO look the other way, why get put on trial ?

What bank robber ?
What prowler ?
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He should just sign a bill legalizing crime. Then you won’t need any police.
They're working on that. That is why they need so many immigrants. They want to reduce the opposition by getting honest people to leave.
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Cali is just fubar..
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I don't know what that means. Seems like a lot of wiggle room in "necessary".

Build a wall around California.
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Glad I'm retired.
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I wonder how many LEOs will just bail.
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Another reason to wish I was no longer a CA resident. Gavin Pondscum is a putz from word go. Still not my Govna

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The police unions bought off in this, so they must think it's not terrible. There was lots of opposition to it originally.
My understanding is that they did not "sign off on it", they never lent it any support whatsoever, which signing off on implies. First they vehemently opposed it, and then they simply remained neutral to it after the changes were written up.


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I have not read the actual law, however, the stated change is not what many/most would call stupid. In my state and I suspect most states the mere failure to follow a "Lawful Order" is justification for use of physical force by police...

I suspect the police union is concerned about the term "Necessary".
The term necessary is not what most people are (or were) complaining about. "Necessary" and "reasonable" are both arbitrary enough terms that nobody would really lose any sleep. The problem with this new law is that the weighing factor is no longer simply the perceived threat at the time lethal force is used. Now the officer's actions leading up to that moment will also be used to determine whether it was a justified shooting or manslaughter/ murder.

Here's why that's a problem. If an officer is not behaving how a jury member would, or was being "mean", "rude", or other arbitrary terms in the citizen juror's mind (who has never had a gun pointed at them), and the defense said it led to their client's escalation, the officer can now be held criminally liable for manslaughter or murder. Even if the shooting itself was 100% justified at the moment the trigger was pulled. I have a big problem with that. Professionalism should be expected of officers, but nobody on the face of the earth is perfect. Anyone can have a bad day, and if crud happens to hit the fan when you're not being the most professional you could be, it could actually send you to prison for life. I'm a believer in being held accountable, but I also believe the punishment should fit the crime. In this case, the punishment should be a crime of "disturbing the peace", or "words likely to incite a fight", etc., not changing a lawful shooting to mansluaghter.

What this will lead to is officers second guessing their decision to use force, and as we all know, hesitation can be fatal.
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