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Old 06-27-2020, 11:37 AM   #16
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Their best option, IMO, is sell the patents and the production rights to make the product. There are so many specialty shops and armories doing so incredible work and would be worthy of carrying on the brand, especially the shotgun line.

I can't speak to the quality of all their firearms. Perhaps break this company up into separate divisions. There would be no need to move the ammo business or factory that makes it.
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Navajo Nation is in northeastern Arizona, southeastern Utah, and northwestern New Mexico.
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Old 06-27-2020, 12:27 PM   #17
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I wonder if they would be exempt from our gun laws as a sovereign nation?
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Tough to do business in NY. That's why I don't live there anymore.
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I wonder if they would be exempt from our gun laws as a sovereign nation?
I would hope so. But the cynic in me doubts that the Fed truly allows them to be "sovereign."
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I would hope so. But the cynic in me doubts that the Fed truly allows them to be "sovereign."
Agree but your carry permit is invalid on the Res. If you want to bring a gun onto their land, you need permission from the tribal governor. I know the FBI has some jurisdiction over some tribal criminal matters, perhaps ATF would as well.?
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So many custom action makers producing Remington 700 clones that are better/improved versions of the original it's a moot point if they go under. The model 700 is the most well known product in their line. You can buy one of their actions cheap now, but then need so much gunsmith trueing on it and a good trigger that your within custom action price range to make one operate properly and shoot accurately. Not a fan, except for my old version 870 in 28 gauge, now that's a well made firearm and very nicely finished. My wife actually bought it for me at an auction!
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...You know, it's their fault somebody used their product for a crime!!!

When are we going to see auto manufacturers sued out of business because a racist drives through a crowd of protesters??

When are we doing to see cutlery makers sued out of business because someone stabs their significant other to death with a kitchen knife??

No!! It's just guns!!!! For now....
It's the libtard anti-gun legal argument that is so insane. The libtards seem to forget that a gun is merely a tool, and a human being, given his motivations, can weaponize that tool. People kill people, and they will use guns, knives, cars, buses, airplanes, baseball bats, pipes, rope, etc.

How the courts accepted this argument is beyond me.
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Their best option, IMO, is sell the patents and the production rights to make the product. There are so many specialty shops and armories doing so incredible work and would be worthy of carrying on the brand, especially the shotgun line.

I can't speak to the quality of all their firearms. Perhaps break this company up into separate divisions. There would be no need to move the ammo business or factory that makes it.
Patents for most of Remingtonís popular products are expired.

Companies go bust. Look at Nokia. They owned the mobile phone market. Now a shadow of what they once were. Bad management. Weak board of directors. The two kisses of death.

Then again, Harley Davidson was in the ditch after being taken over by a big conglomerate that f-ed up the brand. The company eventually broke free and managed to survive and thrive. Itís all about finding the right investors and leadership.
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I wonder if they would be exempt from our gun laws as a sovereign nation?
I was thinking the same thing.
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It’s all about finding the right investors and leadership.
That was more or less my point as well. No reflection on Navajo Nation but I think this might be a ploy to skirt around some laws, taxes, and export/import business.

That is why breaking Remington up and doling them out as their own brand (as one for shotguns, one for ammo, one for other arms) might be their best bet.

I specifically mentioned their ammo business. With all the tooling in place along with all the safety measures and work force, it would make no sense to close up shop and take all of that somewhere else. Leave that as is, where is.

And I am sure Remington has more than just their legacy patents since this company has been in business so long along with all innovations and redesigns/modifications over the years.

By the way, if anyone is ever in Pasadena CA, you have GOT TO GO to the cowboy museum - Autry Museum of the American West. LA's best kept secret in my opinion. Incredible look at the Hollywood westerns, native american displays, original artwork, and the historical gun collection and the COLT collection are out of this world. $10 bucks, no lines, stay all day.
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All this talk about Remington brings back a lot of memories. I graduated from the FBI Academy as a Special Agent in 1976. The Remington 870 was the shotgun that we trained on and that the FBI used at that time. We spent a lot of time shooting that weapon, cleaning it and learning how to take it apart and put it back together.

One of the things that our supervisors did to us at the academy was to administer "stress" tests, where we were suddenly and unexpectedly taken out of class and given a task to do. One I remember well is that we were divided into 4 man teams, required to run 3 miles and meet at the shotgun range, where we were to shoot only birds of a certain color. We had a time limit in which to accomplish this task.

Lo and behold, when we got to the range after completing our run, we found our 870's completely disassembled. I had to try and remember how to put it back together after a hard 3 mile run. Amazingly, I did. But I always remember that day. The 870 in 1976 was a good firearm. I have no idea what it is today.
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All this talk about Remington brings back a lot of memories. I graduated from the FBI Academy as a Special Agent in 1976. The Remington 870 was the shotgun that we trained on and that the FBI used at that time. We spent a lot of time shooting that weapon, cleaning it and learning how to take it apart and put it back together.

One of the things that our supervisors did to us at the academy was to administer "stress" tests, where we were suddenly and unexpectedly taken out of class and given a task to do. One I remember well is that we were divided into 4 man teams, required to run 3 miles and meet at the shotgun range, where we were to shoot only birds of a certain color. We had a time limit in which to accomplish this task.

Lo and behold, when we got to the range after completing our run, we found our 870's completely disassembled. I had to try and remember how to put it back together after a hard 3 mile run. Amazingly, I did. But I always remember that day. The 870 in 1976 was a good firearm. I have no idea what it is today.
And I'm sure the FBI was a great agency in 1976 as well. I have no idea what it is today.
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I’m not too surprised to read they are filling Chapter 11. Remington also owns H&R, DPMS, and Bushmaster among others companies.

CDNN has been wholesaling Remington, Bushmaster and DPMS AR Lowers and Uppers/ build kits for a couple months. The DPMS and Bushmaster sites are down with just Remington contact info..

Too bad to see a once iconic name turn to **** in my lifetime.
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